after reading retro ford

[GT_Jim]

i was looking at doin a zetec install as it wouldnt cost much more than getting my pre xflow re machined and rebuilt to my spec and get a new gearbox. the zetec is more appealing too as it will do more to the gallon than my gt standard it just makes sence as i want to use it everyday again and you cant do that with a pre xflow

It makes me laugh that people compare a knackered old engine to a modernish one in a mondeo . Yes if it's 40 years old + shot to bits it's gonna break down , so will a knackered zetec , ask my next door neighbour whos fixing his mondeo every weekend !!!!!!!!! Also millions of people used the old engines as daily runners in the 1960's , 1970's , 1980's etc and never had any problems doing so . In fact if you ever did then you could at least fix them in 5 mins with a screwdriver

 

i see you havent quoted everything i said then. the fact is my engine had done 50-60k miles in 40 years which isnt bad going but when these engine were made the engineers couldnt work to the tolerances we have today so thats why a pr crossflow could 40 -60k miles before needing a rebuild where as a zetec has been quoted to do 200k miles plus the parts for them are more available than some of the parts for the my pre crossflow

 

the other point is in cf a few months back there was a guy with a mk1 cortina GT - the same engine as mine. he spent 9grand on that engine and only got 140bhp! if i spent 2 - 3 grand on a zetec i could get more than that so thats your arguement about cost out of the window

 

ou wouldn't even get a £2000 duratec install Shocked , it would cost you more than that for the bits just for the fuel system !!!!!!!! Mr. Green

 

burton power dp barrell throttle bodies for duratecs for £934 which will work with a mega squirt system which you can do for about £200 now correct me if im wrong thats less than £2000 - if your going to throw numbers into this please back them up before doing so

[Twinkle]

how about a little experiment, when the mk1 and mk2 are done i weigh them and equal them out and do some runs on the strip? could also find somewhere with bendy bits and a rolling road to compare the zetec and the pinto

[alladdin]

how about a little experiment, when the mk1 and mk2 are done i weigh them and equal them out and do some runs on the strip? could also find somewhere with bendy bits and a rolling road to compare the zetec and the pinto

 

you could use them to see which is best to stir tea with but it wouldnt alter any facts, just perceptions .....

[Guest MK1gaz]

You can't get a fuel injection / management system fitted and working on a duratec for less than £2000 using new parts i'm affraid . You could if you nicked all the bits from another car or got lucky with some secondhand throttle bodies and a pre-mapped ecu etc . Also it's not just m.o.t. emission levels that a major motor manufactor has to comply with on a production engine . Even a cosworh escort which has full engine management couldn't pass the new regs at the time so Ford pulled the plug on its production . All my oldskool engines running on dcoe carbs always run nice and clean according to the M.O.T gas anaysler , in fact as clean or cleaner than most cossies do !!!!!!

[emu]

All my oldskool engines running on dcoe carbs always run nice and clean according to the M.O.T gas anaysler , in fact as clean or cleaner than most cossies do !!!!!!

 

yours would

 

Why dont you apply for a development job with Ford. Theyre obviously missing a trick by not giving you a call for all theyre engine design needs.

[Guest MK1gaz]

Nah , new fords are proper dog pooh , i'd rather work for Renault thanks , at least they make some decent sporting models

[Guest MK1gaz]

So anyway , back to the toilet standard duratec installs , Who's actually using one then ? I know Matt on turbosports got one , and as oldskoolford and turbosport are the same people anyway i dare say he'll appear on here tomorrow !!!!!!! We'll start the roll call at 1 , anyone else then ?

[faster]

So anyway , back to the toilet standard duratec installs , Who's actually using one then ? I know Matt on turbosports got one , and as oldskoolford and turbosport are the same people anyway i dare say he'll appear on here tomorrow !!!!!!! We'll start the roll call at 1 , anyone else then ?

 

What? you would be right in saying that some of the members on here are on there too, but you're way off base with such a poor generalisation

[Guest MK1gaz]

Ok sorry i'll rephrase , most people go on both forums so he'll be on here tomorrow !!!!!!!

[over_head_cam]

At a rough guess, I think the phrase would probably be more like: "I'm sure whoever I want to argue (discuss the relative merits of certain engines) with will see my posts on both forums and be back for more, just so I can have a reason for being on the forum in the first place because to be honest I haven't really brought much to OSF except my Pinto versus Duratec topic"

 

I guess that would be slightly more accurate

[Retromotorsport]

You can't get a fuel injection / management system fitted and working on a duratec for less than £2000 using new parts i'm affraid . You could if you nicked all the bits from another car or got lucky with some secondhand throttle bodies and a pre-mapped ecu etc . Also it's not just m.o.t. emission levels that a major motor manufactor has to comply with on a production engine . Even a cosworh escort which has full engine management couldn't pass the new regs at the time so Ford pulled the plug on its production . All my oldskool engines running on dcoe carbs always run nice and clean according to the M.O.T gas anaysler , in fact as clean or cleaner than most cossies do !!!!!!

 

 

Is it just me or does that sound like a another " Gaz gas shot himself in the foot " post

 

As for ECU and TB's for less than £2000

wrong again Gaz

The sports 2000 engine

 

1 Inlet manifold + fasteners

 

4 Throttle bodies, 45mm parallel + fasteners, O-rings

 

1 Throttle body lever kit

 

1 Fuel rail, dash 6 JIC fittings (exch. o.e. fuel rail)

 

4 Fuel injector, high flow

 

1 Fuel pressure regulator, dash 6 JIC fittings

 

1 ECU, MBE 967E (Sports 2000 sealed unit)

 

1 Throttle pot.

 

1 Barrometric press. sensor

 

1 Air temperature sensor

 

1 Engine wiring harness

 

1 Water pump drive kit

 

1 Dry sump kit, incl. 3-stage pump, al. sump pan, pulley?s and hose fittings

 

1 Steel flywheel, light weight, integral ring gear

 

6 Flywheel bolts, race spec.

 

1 Crank pulley/damper bolt

 

1 Crank spigot brg.

 

1 Clutch cover, 8.5in., uprated

 

1 Clutch plate 8.5in., 1in. x 23 spline, uprated

 

6 Clutch cover bolts

 

1 Exhaust manifold gasket

 

6 Exhaust manifold nuts

 

1 EGR valve blanking plate + fasteners

 

1 Blanking plug kit

 

All of that built onto your doner engine (200 from salvage or 1300 new) dyno run to make sure its within the rules power ie197bhp for just £3709.48 ..... now take away £1999 leaves £1710.48

 

the other parts and dyno run can eat that up (the other parts being the drysump,clutch alternator etc )

So for under 2k you can have injection.

 

And then we have Gazes biggest cock up...

 

Ford dropped the pinto because of emissions, but he can get them through a post 92 emission test.

 

Which in a way proves that its not the engine that affects the emissions its the fueling and exhaust.

So the good old Pinto with EGR and Cat with Fuel injection on a closed loop would pass any emissions test thrown at it ... so why was it dropped?

 

Oh and you see that list above ... thats what a price list looks like .. and the source of that list so everyone can see it for themselves so they know its true and an advertised price ...

 

is here...............

 

http://www.sports2000-srcc.com/proseries/engine.cfm

 

And another source .....

 

http://www.mountuneonline.com/searchres ... goryid=190

 

And a bit of reading about a car that you can have for under what Gaz quotes for an engine alone.

http://www.totalkitcar.com/tested.php

 

 

And as for the point he makes about there only being one duratec powered escort ... Dave Colledges, There is another guy on TS with one running , also DAve Jupp is close to getting his one running (and before Gaz picks up on that..lets see your car running first) there was also one featured in PPC or was it RF

I think its another case of Gaz's blinkered outlooks or missinformation posts

[Morley]

I can't believe that this is still going strong

Well done to the admin for letting it run

[Retromotorsport]

I can't believe that this is still going strong

Well done to the admin for letting it run

 

 

Its got to be left to run.. theres so many good points on it

 

like

 

the pinto is still a blinding engine, and can be made to go extremly well but there are viable alternatives which are coming down in price everyday

 

To fit a pinto in an escort is easy ... to fit a duratec or Zetec into an escort is now easy with off the shelf parts from many companies the main on being Retroford (no relation)

 

The pinto hasnt been beaten on the dragstrip yet by a duratec, but the duratec has put up a good fight so far, and on circuits which are more like the real world (corners) the duratec has beaten the pinto.

 

There are loads of duratec engines out there running around racetacks in single seaters, sports 2000 (open cockpit 2 seaters) and T cars etc that have the standard internals and hitting close to 200bhp .. and without throwing the standard rods. And anyone can see this every weekend if they go to a track that has corners.

 

Hopefully people will be able to read this .. cut out the waffle and make a choice, because thats what it is about, choices, the individuals choice to choose something different from his fellow man.

[Rick]

from what iv made of this post:

 

the older engines like the pinto have had countess years spent fine tuning them and a vast range of parts have been developed to make them perform the way they do.

 

newer engines are still being experimented with, special parts have to be custom made and thus more expensive to reach the same power levels.

 

but inevitably theres going to be a point where they do overtake, when parts are cheaper, tuning is mastered and newer technology is intorduced

 

its just a matter of time

[Guest turbo2]

[over_head_cam]

Banter. We love it (with a bit of info thrown in for good measure )

[RETRO_AL]

Nah , new fords are proper dog pooh , i'd rather work for Renault thanks , at least they make some decent sporting models

 

renaults are the biggest load of to come out of a factory

make sure your in the aa

[Guest MK1gaz]

Well i see retros talking his usual duratec sales patter again , followed by his hangeroners . For example an M.O.T. emmissions test IS NOT the same as full on euro emission regulations that a major motor manufactor has to comply with to enable them to actually sell new cars is it ? Also his £3700 duratec kit has a few bobs worth of bits missing !!!!!!! = dry sump tank and all the oil lines , coolers , remote filter housing , AN ENGINE , engine mount kit , modified x-member with lower steering rack , water rail , Mazda to ford bell housing , Exhaust manifold , injection pumps , filters , pipe work etc etc , so in other words a flipping fortune !!!!!!!! There is ONLY ONE duratec road car running , there's a few being built but ONLY ONE actually working that i've seen . As for £3700 + all the other bits + an ENGINE for 190 bhp then i'd rather walk !!!!!!!!

[Mk 1 Mark]

what ever floats your boat as long as the driver is happy with his car and what it does then happy days.....

Nice car good heartbeat Rear wheel Drive Jobs a good`en!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

Nah , new fords are proper dog pooh , i'd rather work for Renault thanks , at least they make some decent sporting models

 

renaults are the biggest load of to come out of a factory

make sure your in the aa

Well a standard renault 2 litre engine MAKES MORE power than a duratec with a £5000 performance package bolted to it !!!!!!!

[Retromotorsport]

Well i see retros talking his usual duratec sales patter again , followed by his hangeroners . For example an M.O.T. emmissions test IS NOT the same as full on euro emission regulations that a major motor manufactor has to comply with to enable them to actually sell new cars is it ? Also his £3700 duratec kit has a few bobs worth of bits missing !!!!!!! = dry sump tank and all the oil lines , coolers , remote filter housing , AN ENGINE , engine mount kit , modified x-member with lower steering rack , water rail , Mazda to ford bell housing , Exhaust manifold , injection pumps , filters , pipe work etc etc , so in other words a flipping fortune !!!!!!!! There is ONLY ONE duratec road car running , there's a few being built but ONLY ONE actually working that i've seen . As for £3700 + all the other bits + an ENGINE for 190 bhp then i'd rather walk !!!!!!!!

 

Oh why dont you cut the crap.... your fictional pinto prices didnt include half of that either

 

You keep on pulling apart an engine that has the major engine builders in this country raving about .... and then cry on about how many Escorts have them in... how many escorts had YB turbos in when they first came out ? How many Escorts had NA YB's in them when the Cossie first came out and according to the bloke who says you can have them fitted in 5 minutes (get ready for the bleatng about it was in the hole, IT AINT RUNNING!!!!) it took years for them to be a common engine swap ..

 

As for the lack of engine ..re-read the post ... take your blinkers off ..

 

Infact stop posting and just get your car built before the season starts Gaz .. just in case a Duratec car runs at the pod and they will all gang up on ya with the song " why are waiting ..why are waiting" at the Pod and at Brands

 

As for my usual sales patter ... WTF are you on.. ????

 

"the pinto is still a blinding engine, and can be made to go extremly well but there are viable alternatives which are coming down in price everyday

 

To fit a pinto in an escort is easy ... to fit a duratec or Zetec into an escort is now easy with off the shelf parts from many companies the main on being Retroford (no relation)

 

The pinto hasnt been beaten on the dragstrip yet by a duratec, but the duratec has put up a good fight so far, and on circuits which are more like the real world (corners) the duratec has beaten the pinto. "

 

 

That above seems a 50/50 post about both engines ...

 

Unlike your biased " me me me me me me me posts "

 

 

And why do i keep posting replies ... you say something to pull the Duratec apart and i'll reply

 

 

And the emissions... i did say " post 92 emission test .".. not current .. but then the Duratec does pass it ...

 

Like i've said before ... i do not ... thats DO NOT sell one thing for the Duratec/Zetec ... then again i dont sell anything for the Pinto or X-flow or even a Lister Petter engine for that matter,

 

Think my words where " I dont give a flying f**K what engine people use "

 

I make chassis mounts for any engine (and i've made more pinto mounts that duratec ones).

 

And the mounts are the only difference between engines as far as my business is concerned ... so why would i want to sell anything else?

 

 

And anyways ...

 

when are you going to answer the question on this thread...

Like wheres your price list?

[Wessie]

i always enjoy reading your replies gary

[Twinkle]

i always enjoy reading your replies gary

 

hanger on FPMSL

[Jimbob-Squarepants ©]

i always enjoy reading your replies gary

 

hanger on FPMSL

 

LOL

 

And it has to be said, whether it's a Pinto, Zetec or Duratec, they are all a damn sight more reliable than a f*****g Renault

[over_head_cam]

i always enjoy reading your replies gary

 

hanger on FPMSL

 

LOL

 

And it has to be said, whether it's a Pinto, Zetec or Duratec, they are all a damn sight more reliable than a f*****g Renault

 

And not French