170bhp Pinto cost?

[BIG G]

Not run in yet but will get it RR soon as is and will post but hopefully more than 159

[H.P.E harry]

Just to save you some time I have done it for you

 

Vulcan Engineering

 

Telephone: 020-8-579-3202 or 2988

Fax: 020-8-579-7390

Email: sales@vulcanengines.com

 

 

 

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Engine Type Pinto 180 hp spec

 

Re Bore block £100.00

Wire ring block face £50.00

Re grind crank £100.00

Forged pistons £425.00

Bearings £95.00

HP Oil pump £45.00

Steel rods £425.00

Ultimax Head £695.00

Cam kit £280.00

Cam belt £35.00

Tensioner £30.00

Gaskets £50.00

Vernior pulley £70.00

ARP Rod bolts £70.00

ARP Head stud kit £100.00

ARP Flywheel bolts £24.00

Double Dowell flywheel to crank £60.00

Big wing Sump & pick up pipe £300.00

Tufride crank £100.00

Labour to build Engine £600.00

Inlet Manifold pined & Matched to head £160.00

48 DCOE Webers £640.00

Linkage kit £80.00

Clutch kit £250.00

Steel Flywheel & New Ring gear £185.00

Balance assembly £130.00

Non Vac Distributor £169.50

Electronic Ignition £180.00

Spark plugs £12.00

Leads £48.00

Plug inserts £40.00

Water pump £30.00

Petrol pump blanking plate £5.00

Alloy Rocker cover £120.00

Breather kit £79.50

Alternator kit £99.00

Exhaust Manifold £160.00

Dyno set up £480.00

 

Net Cost £6,522.00

Special Requests Vat @ 17.5% £1,141.35

Photos / video of build ??? Total £7,663.35

 

I hope it helps

 

I think if you spent that much money on a pinto you would be looking at about 230bhp and have money left over . When my brothers got there pintos they spent about £2500 on them and when they took them to the rollers they had 185+bhp

[Vulcan Engineering]

It would be nice to see what the other Engine buliders on here would Quote for a turn key 180+ spec pinto with all new parts ( forged pistons & steel rods & carbs & dizzy & Lumenition & double big wing sump & exhaust manifold & Dyno tested all as per my list ????

 

If they are up for a chalange then copy my list & quote !!!!

[Rick]

It would be nice to see what the other Engine buliders on here would Quote for a turn key 180+ spec pinto with all new parts ( forged pistons & steel rods & carbs & dizzy & Lumenition & double big wing sump & exhaust manifold & Dyno tested all as per my list ????

 

If they are up for a chalange then copy my list & quote !!!!

 

thats putting the pressure on... a competitive market thats what this scene needs

[Mk2Jo]

Don't forget that Steve has included absolutely everything - all the parts to make a bolt in and go engine - carbs, sump, plugs and leads, rocker cover, labour, dyno etc I paid £850 for my twin 48's last year alone from Burtons

 

If you want a short engine then it will obviously be cheaper

[Mk2Jo]

I think if you spent that much money on a pinto you would be looking at about 230bhp and have money left over . When my brothers got there pintos they spent about £2500 on them and when they took them to the rollers they had 185+bhp

 

Was it EXACTLY as the list shown though Harry including labour charge at standard non family rate and all the ancilliaries?

[kevmk2]

There are obviously ways of doing it cheaper, using your loaf and doing most of it yourself if you are confident enough.

I done a budget 190bhp engine on 48's with cast pistons, 2.1, big valve head for £1400. Head was the most expensive part from Burtons at the time, well CTM's, not Burtons

That was £750 for a full race spec head with BF63 cam. £400 for a complete fresh bottom end from Ron at HT's. it was one of Big Jon's spare bottom ends he wasnt using. Pair of 48's from my brother for £250 and job done

But that was back in 98-99

Then i sold that engine for £1000 to a mate and bought my 2.2 HT engine from Ron, it was second hand, but was complete with carbs, oil cooler etc, no exhaust manifold for £3500. Then i used it for 2 years and sold it to my mate for £3500 Thats the thing with HT engines, they hold their money if sold to people who know thier engines.

[H.P.E harry]

I think if you spent that much money on a pinto you would be looking at about 230bhp and have money left over . When my brothers got there pintos they spent about £2500 on them and when they took them to the rollers they had 185+bhp

 

Was it EXACTLY as the list shown though Harry including labour charge at standard non family rate and all the ancilliaries?

 

Take possie's engine for instance, that was what my grandad called a cheapy engine. £1800 pound got my brothers a built engine minus carbs and manifold and at most they spent another grand on carbs, manifold, exhaust system etc. Im not sure what the labour charges are but you can find out by ringing jeff. I suppose part prices have gone up since 2003 but there is no way i would be paying 7000 pounds for a 180bhp pinto

[Mk2Jo]

I'm sorry but you can't compare unless you have like for like listed with costs

 

Of course you don't pay £7k - your family build engines - I would be pretty annoyed if my family charged me non family rates

 

And if you are able to build an engine or do part of the work then you can save some money, no question ... but many of us can't

[kevmk2]

And yet gaz says you could prob get that power for a grand lol

You can get 170 bhp for £1500 if you know what your doing . The problem is not many people do

 

Very true mate

Ron at HT's used to be able to do a 2.2 bottom end for £1800, offset ground crank, diesel rods etc. Seems to work well and lasts.

And a head from Ron is around £1200 plus a cam kit.

Modded dizzy is around £30 for Ron to do i think, just remove the vacumn advance etc.

My first cossie engine cost £5000 inc dyno.

That was a secondhand block, new forged pistons, knife edged crank, head ported and new guides and valve seats, BD14 inlet cam and standard exhaust. Plus a wrc 8 injector inlet manifold, dizzyless ignition, P8 ecu, which was £600 on its own. Its mostly a case of what you know and who you know

Thats why i use Joe, he is very cheap and knows alot of people to get things done right and for the right price

[MK2Ed]

Don't forget that Steve has included absolutely everything - all the parts to make a bolt in and go engine - carbs, sump, plugs and leads, rocker cover, labour, dyno etc I paid £850 for my twin 48's last year alone from Burtons

 

If you want a short engine then it will obviously be cheaper

 

This is true. Everything is included here... If you have a donor engine with some trick bits already on then cost comes down in view of that...

[H.P.E harry]

I'm sorry but you can't compare unless you have like for like listed with costs

 

Of course you don't pay £7k - your family build engines - I would be pretty annoyed if my family charged me non family rates

 

And if you are able to build an engine or do part of the work then you can save some money, no question ... but many of us can't

 

I probably could not list everything you need because ive never built one but yeah i see your point. How much do you think all of your bits added upto with yours jo?

[Mk2Jo]

Colin listed all the parts seperately for me so I could see the full breakdown . Mine was not just engine supply, it was supply and fit and removal of old engine, taking the car to Sanspeed to be dyno'd and Peter messing about for ages with the stupid Spanish Weber's (I think it's the Spanish ones that were poorly made ), test driving (or that's what he told me why he was hooning around the area ), fitting other parts (non engine), moving the battery to the boot, fitting electronic ignition, fuel pump supply and installation and MOT as well

 

And for me it is a top job

 

Personally, I think Steve at Vulcan must be competitive with his prices because he is well known and respected within his field

 

There are lots of choices out there for people wanting a pinto and for those of us who cannot build our own

[andypipe]

From my dealings with Steve, i can tell you he is a honest and trustworthy person, with no bullshit

[H.P.E harry]

From my dealings with Steve, i can tell you he is a honest and trustworthy person, with no bullshit

 

Im not saying he is not and didnt mean for it to sound like he is having someone on

[Guest MK1gaz]

The vulcan engine price is very good for the high spec of new parts used . It's also 100% complete , fully assembled and dyno run . Don't forget that he also has overheads such as wages for his employees and buisness rates to pay for his shop . I think an H.T. racing pinto costs about the same as well

[MK2Ed]

I'll tell you what though Jeb if you can splash a wee bit of extra cash it's worth getting a proper engine done by a pro...

 

A 170BHP unit is a nice engine to play with - good fun on the road, good fun on the track and good fun on the strip... With none of the temper mentalities of the higher tuned units...

 

With the right head, cam, 45's and compression you should see 170BHP all day long in a well built pinto

[razersedge]

Colin listed all the parts seperately for me so I could see the full breakdown . Mine was not just engine supply, it was supply and fit and removal of old engine, taking the car to Sanspeed to be dyno'd and Peter messing about for ages with the stupid Spanish Weber's (I think it's the Spanish ones that were poorly made ), test driving (or that's what he told me why he was hooning around the area ), fitting other parts (non engine), moving the battery to the boot, fitting electronic ignition, fuel pump supply and installation and MOT as well

 

And for me it is a top job

 

Personally, I think Steve at Vulcan must be competitive with his prices because he is well known and respected within his field

 

There are lots of choices out there for people wanting a pinto and for those of us who cannot build our own

 

 

wayne from wpe had a lot of problems with my 48's it's the spanish webcon ones but i only paid £680 for mine from peter loyd but i did get 2 left's and completly different numbers

[Col-ashtonmobile]

Colin listed all the parts seperately for me so I could see the full breakdown . Mine was not just engine supply, it was supply and fit and removal of old engine, taking the car to Sanspeed to be dyno'd and Peter messing about for ages with the stupid Spanish Weber's (I think it's the Spanish ones that were poorly made ), test driving (or that's what he told me why he was hooning around the area ), fitting other parts (non engine), moving the battery to the boot, fitting electronic ignition, fuel pump supply and installation and MOT as well

 

And for me it is a top job

 

Personally, I think Steve at Vulcan must be competitive with his prices because he is well known and respected within his field

 

There are lots of choices out there for people wanting a pinto and for those of us who cannot build our own

 

 

wayne from wpe had a lot of problems with my 48's it's the spanish webcon ones *

 

i think they,re ok now , i bought a set and fitted them recently for a customer and they were fine

[4parajon]

test driving (or that's what he told me why he was hooning around the area )

 

I hope he did'nt charge you for this part Jo

[chris escort mk2]

And yet gaz says you could prob get that power for a grand lol

You can get 170 bhp for £1500 if you know what your doing . The problem is not many people do

 

Very true mate

Ron at HT's used to be able to do a 2.2 bottom end for £1800, offset ground crank, diesel rods etc. Seems to work well and lasts.

And a head from Ron is around £1200 plus a cam kit.

Modded dizzy is around £30 for Ron to do i think, just remove the vacumn advance etc.

My first cossie engine cost £5000 inc dyno.

That was a secondhand block, new forged pistons, knife edged crank, head ported and new guides and valve seats, BD14 inlet cam and standard exhaust. Plus a wrc 8 injector inlet manifold, dizzyless ignition, P8 ecu, which was £600 on its own. Its mostly a case of what you know and who you know

Thats why i use Joe, he is very cheap and knows alot of people to get things done right and for the right price

 

how much power did you have in your cossy originally m8?

[Guest MK1gaz]

I think Kevs originaly had 460 bhp on engine advantages dyno . He's got more now though !!!!!!!!!

[Mk2Jo]

test driving (or that's what he told me why he was hooning around the area )

 

I hope he did'nt charge you for this part Jo

 

 

lol ... no mate ... he said it was free of charge for the road testing I think that was jolly nice of him

[Jeb]

Still can't decide weather to go XE or pinto

[mossy]

people also forget that you dont have to go to a company to have an engine built....

 

I know people who have found private builders for much cheaper then a company, most proberly because of the overheads.