vibrating_Cake Posted December 10, 2008 Report Posted December 10, 2008 im so annoyed right now its unbelieveable. capper went in for MOT today... n the guy has gone thru it with a fine fine fine toothed comb.... failed on stuff like... "split pin missing from anti roll bar nut" "frayed harness" (ill take pics of this, its near enough brand new! "not properly seated spring" (the end of the spring is about 5-10mm away from the groove in the top mount, this regulary pops in and out on a capper anyway cause theres no bearing in the top mount for steering!!! and... emmissions... oh and braking force in-efficient... (whats this all about)? i need to check if this is the rear brakes and just ajust the bias box... but the 1300's ran without brake servo's as standard anyway???? its runnin bloody 283mm disks up front with 9" drums on the rear, servo-less how can that be IN EFFICIENT Argh im so angry... anyway, on the emissions front, what can i do??? its the zetec on twin carbies ive timed the car up properly, gonna sync up the carbs, but the fuelling will be out, what can i do to get it thru mot and how do i do this??? thats my main probllem, i dno bout the braking force as of yet... if its the rear drums i can ajust the bias bar till it passes cause the brakes do stop the car easily enough... grrrr im so annoyed.... nice to know that the bodywork is sound though tbf!
countrybumpkin Posted December 10, 2008 Report Posted December 10, 2008 i had an mot tester do a similar thing to my escort so i just went to another mot centre, i beleive if you feel that the test is unfair you can complain but i'm not to sure who to
60ftman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Posted December 10, 2008 They cannot fail the engine on emissions as it is not the original engine for the car. The emissions test goes on the age of the engine and NOT the age of the car, so if they "..cannot accurately assess the age of the engine..." (you're not going to tell them are you?) the only emissions test they can carry out is a 'Visible smoke test'. It sounds like your testing station need to read the manual. If you're really pi**ed, go back and ask for an appeals form, that'll get them twitchy as the Ministry almost never uphold fail items.......
pauln Posted December 10, 2008 Report Posted December 10, 2008 You have my sympathy (I had some of this last year with my newly zeteced Cortina). You just have to play the game and sort the problems. Do the split pin ,tie in the springs, tape the harness. The rear brakes have to have a percentage of the fronts efficiency. Talk to the mot man let him think all his ideas are good ones and humour him to a pass.
vibrating_Cake Posted December 10, 2008 Author Report Posted December 10, 2008 They cannot fail the engine on emissions as it is not the original engine for the car.The emissions test goes on the age of the engine and NOT the age of the car, so if they "..cannot accurately assess the age of the engine..." (you're not going to tell them are you?) the only emissions test they can carry out is a 'Visible smoke test'. It sounds like your testing station need to read the manual. If you're really pi**ed, go back and ask for an appeals form, that'll get them twitchy as the Ministry almost never uphold fail items....... yehhh but its a 2.0 zetec lol... if anything its a stricter emmissions from the engine than the car... and with the engine number etc they can get the age of the engine surley??? also.... if i warmed the engine up completley the emmissions should be a lot lower aswel surley...? and for a final point, where do i find these rules about engine changes etc
Ken B Posted December 10, 2008 Report Posted December 10, 2008 They cannot fail the engine on emissions as it is not the original engine for the car.The emissions test goes on the age of the engine and NOT the age of the car, so if they "..cannot accurately assess the age of the engine..." (you're not going to tell them are you?) the only emissions test they can carry out is a 'Visible smoke test'. It sounds like your testing station need to read the manual. If you're really pi**ed, go back and ask for an appeals form, that'll get them twitchy as the Ministry almost never uphold fail items....... perhaps this will help http://www.ukmot.com/6-4.asp#Text_top
PAUL MANN Posted December 10, 2008 Report Posted December 10, 2008 about the emmisions,what year is your car,if it is before august 1992 as i expect your capri to be regardless of what engine is fitted it will have to meet a either 4.0% for a veh upto 1986 & 3.5% for veh after,the emmisions go on the age of the car not the engine this rule only aplies to catalyst tested vehicles if the c/o reading is too high you need to weaken it off by the mixture screwscount the turns as u can richen it back up if it lack a bit of power
Fishtailparka Posted December 10, 2008 Report Posted December 10, 2008 I don't really see why you are angry. A split pin missing should be a fail, it might also save your life, your car or more importantly someone elses life. Harness I can't comment on because I haven't seen it, but why would they say it's frayed if it isn't? Inneficient brakes, if on the rear, is very often due to siezed mechanism on a Capri. A strip down and copper grease will sort that. Mine failed on it once, and to be honest I would rather it did fail than be passed with dodgy brakes. Emissions I don't know about, but if you are friendly with the MOT man they usually adjust it for you (always have for me anyway). Cable tie the spring in place to sort that.
Tom Posted December 10, 2008 Report Posted December 10, 2008 split pin missing from anti roll bar nut" "frayed harness" (ill take pics of this, its near enough brand new! "not properly seated spring" (the end of the spring is about 5-10mm away from the groove in the top mount, this regulary pops in and out on a capper anyway cause theres no bearing in the top mount for steering!!! and... emmissions... oh and braking force in-efficient... (whats this all about)? i need to check if this is the rear brakes and just ajust the bias box... but the 1300's ran without brake servo's as standard anyway???? ok here's the answer to your woes 1. put a split pin in it - if i comes undone at 100mph its your fault that family of four are dead. 2. maybe a bit harsh but testers discretion and anyting can happen to a belt within minutes of it being 'new' 3.clamp your springs in, if it wasn't a problem it wouldn't be a failure 4.emissions - co too high = mixture. excess hc = too much unburnt fuel could be down to timing, leads etc 4. in efficient brakes means they are not working. if you have a bias box it probably isn't set up properly. this could be down to a number of things depending on the results. Emissions are tested on whatever's oldest - i've got an XE in mine from a 1990 car and mine is tested to 1975 standards. same as if i put a '68 pre x-flow in a brand new beemer, it would be a visual smoke test hth
hellblue Posted December 10, 2008 Report Posted December 10, 2008 Well you will need to do the little things , tho things like the belt if its just a bit wooly on the edges you can run a lighter over it to burn of them bits off, yes it works well as long as the webbing is ok I have a bias valve on the mk2 this was set up at the mot !! as the fronts didnt do as much as they should have as the rears had been doing to much !! if you go to a new testing station with the latest gear you will also get a full print out of every thing inc. you front & rear axle weights, what does it say about the brakes & emissions on the fail sheets ???
emu Posted December 10, 2008 Report Posted December 10, 2008 They cannot fail the engine on emissions as it is not the original engine for the car.The emissions test goes on the age of the engine and NOT the age of the car, so if they "..cannot accurately assess the age of the engine..." (you're not going to tell them are you?) the only emissions test they can carry out is a 'Visible smoke test'. It sounds like your testing station need to read the manual. The emissions test is based on whichever is older, the car or the engine. Put a 1960's pre-crossflow into a 90's mondeo and provided you can prove the age of the engine then its emmisions tested as a 1960's pre-crossflow. Put a brand new duratec into a 1979 escort and the emmisions limit will be the same as any other 1979 car. Link to the right section of the manual ..... www.motuk.co.uk/manual_730.htm
Jimbob-Squarepants © Posted December 11, 2008 Report Posted December 11, 2008 Don't forget to clean / replace your airfilter(s), and give it an oil change if you haven't done it for quite a while. If your engine has been running far to rich, the unburnt fuel will contaminate the oil which will give a higher reading on the gas annalizer. Dirty air filters will do the same as it's a restriction of the air entering the carbs, thus a richer mixture. Oh clean or change your spark plugs as well. If these things still don't get the readings down, bung the tester a drink and ask if he can set the mixture setting for you. If you decide to takle it yourself, you will have to balance your carbs up first, then set the mixture. When altering the mixture, you do so until the engine reaches it's fastest and smoothest idle. Saying that though, all carb adjustments should only be carried out when all other checks and adjustments are done... i.e. timing, plug gaps, contact breaker gap, etc. Oh and the engine has to be at normal operating temperature
Rick Posted December 11, 2008 Report Posted December 11, 2008 to be fair that nut comes off the antirollbar and it pops out the joint, your likely to end up in a coffin. any osf owner knows how easy nuts seem to vibrate undone
jamesg Posted December 11, 2008 Report Posted December 11, 2008 some of these testers are so O.T.T its unbelievable! im still trying to find one that will give realastic/down to earth test!
bortaf Posted December 11, 2008 Report Posted December 11, 2008 I find that on the whole the older the tester the more "sympathetic" they are to older cars (a tear in the eye and a pass ect) Although my tester would fail a missing split pin as well
vibrating_Cake Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Posted December 11, 2008 ok been to see the guy today.... on the brakes front, on the COMPUTER sheet it says PASS! on the bottom with a graph saying the weight and the pressure each braking wheel applied on the tester. its failed on a missing locking nut that connects the flexi hose to the strut (fair do's to that one, i missed that when i checked it over!!!) the split pins, yeh, thats no problem . the spring in the seat is going to be a real pain in the backside tbh, ill try get that one done and to stay in the seat. failed on corrosion to the rear something or other, thats getting welded.. now... emmisions.... its ECU controlled, the timing is fine, getting a compression test done tomorrow! anyone got a good step by step way of diagnosing and correcting higher airflow between two barrels on a single carb, (in a twin carb setup?) what else can i do for the emmissions!???
Fishtailparka Posted December 11, 2008 Report Posted December 11, 2008 Oil, filter and air filter as suggested usually helps. I once put some additive in my oil too on the MOT mans advice.
Durham Fiesta Posted December 11, 2008 Report Posted December 11, 2008 in all honesty i'd want the mot bloke to go over it with a fine tooth comb, as i want my car to be safe , my fiesta failed on quite a bit on its first mot and a lot of that was i'd fitted things incorrectly or as in your case i had some split pins missing.
vibrating_Cake Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Posted December 11, 2008 me too, but some of the things on the list boiled my blood lol
Univex Posted December 11, 2008 Report Posted December 11, 2008 What's an MOT? Hit and miss with MOT's really. I'd just take it to a different tester. Sometimes a pass or fail can be decided by the nights sleep the tester had. At least you now have a better idea on what he found wrong and have the opportunity to put right.
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