Goverment plans to scrap 250,000 cars this year

[bigdaz27]

as above what are famlys going to drive about in morgans and the like theres no british cars left

[mk3cokebottle]

Why the fook should i get rid of my perfectly reliable 34 year old car to please that Scottish one-eyed twat

 

Another load of ill -thought out crap from the biggest load of thieving tax hiking t*ss*rs known to man .

 

OOh , let me think , i know , i"ll get myself in even more debt in this recession just to please some tree-hugging Gaurdian reader who thinks that my car is too old and smells....oh my God , i"ve killed a tree . Whatever .

 

W*****rs !!

 

It's not going to be compulsory Sumo and is aimed at people driving around with largely unmaintained rusty old smokers from the late 80's and early / mid 90's rather than bonafide classics such as those owned by people on here.

 

Plus, is keeping the car industry alive by cheaper means than the tax payer bailing it out entirely such a bad idea? Think of all the people it employs either directly or indirectly.

 

like me in my l reg 165000 mile 1.4 escort fook him it goes drives and stops i dont need to look good in my daily drive its my toys that count !!!!

 

and yep it is a bad idea the goverment and banks got us in this shit and getting us in more shit with finance is a crap idea cos as said earlier in the post peaple who are driving an older car rarely have an amount in there bank they can just spunk in one hit on a peice of remoulded plastic and recycled skoda's

[FredTransit]

Well the scrappage scheme came in with the budget, but I am wondering who it's actually aimed at. Most people driving a 10 year old car are doing it cos either they

 

1, want to (so won't buy a new car) or

2, doing it cos they can't afford anything else (so won't be able to afford a new car)

 

So who will actually be cashing in these so called bangers?

 

The other side begs the question - how many dodgy dealers know how to get a car through it's MOT? Do the government actually see the cars, or is it just a paper trail? That is, they submit the V5 and matching MOT (and maybe a scrap man's receipt for the car) to get their grand 'back'? The dealer has to stump up half of the 2K, the other grand comes from the government. Do you see where I am going on this?

Trust me, I bet most dealers know somebody, I am not saying it's easy for Joe Public, but some dealers might even have an MOT license. OK that would be obvious, but if dealer 1 puts a car into the scheme, dealer 2 does the MOT, then dealer 2 puts a car in, and dealer 1 does the test. I have heard of cars getting through the test by having a 'surrogate' car for the emissions.

 

This is a simplified example, only 2 dealers doing it would stand out. 5 or 6 though would be lost in the mix, specially if they were local to each other, as the cars might have gone there for the MOT. Remember these cars wouldn't get caught at a VOSA roadside check, or be some death trap that kills the buyer and their kids in an accident, they would be down the road and crushed so no real worry about been found out in that respect.

[bortaf]

What does a bent MOT make any differance to?

there's NO cash involved, the dealer drops 2G off a new car scraps yours then the gov pay the dealer the 2G back again, where the room for any dodgey money making?

they can't not sell a new car cos the gov will be waiting for thier cut of the VAT and new car tax so no good there, the car thats' fragged need to be owned for 12 months prior so the dealer cant sell himeself an old car and then buy a new car off himself cos there NO profit?

[caprinerd]

the govement are only putting a £1000 up and the motor dealer is putting the other £100 up its £2000 for your old car but you have to buy a new car from that dealership and its upto £2000 not defo £2000 one of the reasons for this con sorry scheme is to get the old cars off the road to help thew motor industries ok that i can accept but think harder about it old cars pre 72 are tax excempt work it out for your self who is loosing out when you or i aint paying road tax for the pre 72 motor

[Vista]

the govement are only putting a £1000 up and the motor dealer is putting the other £100 up its £2000 for your old car but you have to buy a new car from that dealership and its upto £2000 not defo £2000 one of the reasons for this con sorry scheme is to get the old cars off the road to help thew motor industries ok that i can accept but think harder about it old cars pre 72 are tax excempt work it out for your self who is loosing out when you or i aint paying road tax for the pre 72 motor

 

Nobody is going to be chopping in bonafide 70's classics on this scheme, it'll be 200000 mile mondeos and vectras and similar that get traded in. No great loss I think and the car industry employs a lot of people so anything that helps preserve some of their jobs is a good thing if you ask me. What's more, though I suspect they'll be able to claim some of it back from the manufacturer, the dealers profit margins on brand new cars are usually enough to absorb that £1000 especially if selling the car means the difference between them going under or not.

 

Nope, the only thing that troubles me slightly about all this is that most new cars in the UK are from foreign owned firms, so in fact a good chunk of tax payers cash will go to prop up foreign companies.

[Stu_B]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8012478.stm

[BIGKEV]

This is such bullshit - lets say I go buy a car for £14000 - how much does it depreciate in this climate as soon as I drive it out of the forecourt I lose what is it ? 20% maybe more

 

Where do that £2000 go then - What a Rip

 

Lets have a Protest.

[FredTransit]

That's the point, but I am sorry to say some of the public will fall for it. What they don't see is they have to find the rest of the price of the car. Unless it's in the bank, they will have to take out finance and isn't that what's got us into the is mess in the first place?

[Vista]

Unless it's in the bank, they will have to take out finance and isn't that what's got us into the is mess in the first place?

 

Only partly, finance is a necessary evil that helps the world go round. It falls over when people stop paying back the money they owe.

 

So who's at fault, the bank for lending irresponsibly or the customer for borrowing what he/she knew they might not be able to repay? The answer is probably a combination of the two.

[FredTransit]

Not paying money back is not always intentional. What somebody can afford when they have a job gets to be too much when they are made redundant. This is happening all too much now, why else do you think house repos are on the up? Who in their right minds would wake up one morning and decide not to pay their mortgage? If people can't afford the mortgage, they sure as hell won't be able to afford the finance they have, including the car.

[Vista]

We're going a bit off topic here but this financial crisis didn't begin because all of a sudden millions of people globally were made redundant and couldn't pay their mortgages anymore. It began with a combination of both irresponsible lending and irresponsible borrowing, self certified mortgages and 120% loan to values etc.

 

If people can't afford something then most would refrain from borrowing it, equally if you can barely afford something then the same rules should apply as it takes very little change in your circumstances to tip you over the edge. Yet people kept overstretching themselves having got used to years of cheap readily available credit and rising house prices, redundancies I believe are the result of the financial crisis rather than the cause of it.

 

As to grants for scrapping your cars, no-one is forced to take out finance to buy a new car so why is it a bad idea for those that can afford it to do so?

[lee_capri]

it's alright if your thinking of getting a new car and hav some cash

 

buy a shiter of ebay for £500 and the old gove will give you two grand for it off a new car how good is that

[Vista]

it's alright if your thinking of getting a new car and hav some cash

 

buy a shiter of ebay for £500 and the old gove will give you two grand for it off a new car how good is that

 

Only if you're prepared to keep said shitter road legal for 12 months, by which time the deal may be off. You have to have owned the car for a year.

[FredTransit]

No Lee you don't just drive it somewhere and get two grand for it, you can only get the 2K off the price of a new car and even then you have to have owned the old one for 12 months or more and it has to have an MOT.

[petrolhead]

A lot of Haters on here! If it sounds alarming it shouldn't, it is not aimed at us. Its not compulsory, its just an choice that is offered. If you did a survey of people on the site who were thinking about buying a new car it would be a few %, if you asked that few percent if they would chop in there beloved classic for £2k discount you wouldn't have many people left with their hands up.

 

Interestingly they have had a very similar sceme in Germany -2500euros discount for an old car in the hope it would boost the German Car industry, unfortunately it hasn't gone quite to plan - most Germans have opted for cheaper imports (like a lot of the jap stuff made in the UK)!

[lee_capri]

to tell you the truth id do it if i wanted a new car all sound's good to me,

 

and like some one else said it int aimed at folk's like us but more folk who have late plate car and older one's who struggle to keep them on the road i think

[FredTransit]

I think why this scheme is so objectionable is the sheer waste of perfectly good cars. Yes, most people who run a 10 year old car won't either want or afford to change it for a new car, but there will be some people who will believe the hype that this is a good deal or good for the environment (wrong on both counts) that has a much older car and they will put it in the scheme, and it will be completely wasted.

 

to tell you the truth id do it if i wanted a new car all sound's good to me,

 

and like some one else said it int aimed at folk's like us but more folk who have late plate car and older one's who struggle to keep them on the road i think

 

Well the truth is, if you were looking to buy a new car, no matter how you were paying for it, you could walk into a dealership and ask for 2 grand off and get it. You don't need to scrap a perfectly good car to get it.

[lee_capri]

dont think it mater's fred least the public will get 2k off a new car which int a bad thing for those who can aford it,

 

i think a fair amount of people will take advantage of the offer and sign on the dotted line,

 

and you can barter a deal then knock the 2k off has well that's what i would do

[Fiesta Steve]

I have heard of cars getting through the test by having a 'surrogate' car for the emissions.

 

Surely not

[lee_capri]

I have heard of cars getting through the test by having a 'surrogate' car for the emissions.

 

Surely not

 

i do i know a vectra that had some brotherly help

[FredTransit]

 

Interestingly they have had a very similar sceme in Germany -2500euros discount for an old car in the hope it would boost the German Car industry, unfortunately it hasn't gone quite to plan - most Germans have opted for cheaper imports (like a lot of the jap stuff made in the UK)!

 

So if they are buying jap cars that have been assembled here, how come our car (assembly) industry hasn't felt the benefit then?

[Vista]

 

Interestingly they have had a very similar sceme in Germany -2500euros discount for an old car in the hope it would boost the German Car industry, unfortunately it hasn't gone quite to plan - most Germans have opted for cheaper imports (like a lot of the jap stuff made in the UK)!

 

So if they are buying jap cars that have been assembled here, how come our car (assembly) industry hasn't felt the benefit then?

 

I think he means they're buying used Jap cars exported from Japan, many get exported at about 5 years old due to their regulations.

 

Incidentally though, I work in Germany quite often and the people I speak to there say that the "scrappage" scheme is quite popular and has been good for their industry

[FredTransit]

I didn't think you could use the scrappage allowance on 5 year old cars, imported or not.

I also heard the German scheme was a bit too successful, and it was costing the Government a fortune!

[Vista]

I didn't think you could use the scrappage allowance on 5 year old cars, imported or not.

I also heard the German scheme was a bit too successful, and it was costing the Government a fortune!

 

Not here you can't, don't know what the German deal is. That said, having reread his post he meant that they were buying new Japanese made cars rather than German ones, much like will happen over here. i.e. government money ending up in the hands of foreign owned companies.