Goverment plans to scrap 250,000 cars this year

[bronze4door]

it doesnt matter what they offer coz i would rather drive £700 worth of mk6 escort into the ground than a brand new car

[petrolhead]

yes I did mean that Germans were buying more cheaper imports than expected rather than the home grown German metal. It is quite a popular scheme amongst the german public there, but of the 1.5bn Euros that the government set aside for the scheme more than expected has gone out the country which has caused some angst among government officials.

 

So if they are buying jap cars that have been assembled here, how come our car (assembly) industry hasn't felt the benefit then?

 

To answer this one, I can't say exactly as I don't know the sales stats on that but I will speculate that our car (assembly) industry has felt the impact. I think it is wrong to assume that because our automotive industry isn't doing well the German scheme isn't benefitting them. Without that scheme our car industry would be in even worse state.

[garyv6100e]

More and more EU country's appear to be adopting some form of scrapage scheme and as the EU goverments are not allowed to state only by cars made in there own country we should find that mainstream car manufacturing plants in the uk such as Nissan Honda Mini Vauxhall will be selling more cars across the EU keeping there employee's in work and Tax revenue's coming to Our goverment and whats the problem if someone wants to trade in there 10 year old plastic shitt*r , who's going to want one of these as a classic car in years to come

[FredTransit]

It's a band aid to treat a broken leg. The governments are using it as a (pardon the pun) smoke screen to hide the fact they are doing nothing to improve the environment. The irony of it is that it's making more pollution to manufacture all these new cars than it would to run the old ones.

[bortaf]

It's a band aid to treat a broken leg. The governments are using it as a (pardon the pun) smoke screen to hide the fact they are doing nothing to improve the environment. The irony of it is that it's making more pollution to manufacture all these new cars than it would to run the old ones.

 

With you there Fred

Smoke and mirrors from the GOv, as usuall

I honestly can't believe there's enough stupid people in the country to actually fall for this cr@p ?

OK if you need a new car fine but for gods sake do some frikken investigation instead of swallowing the cr@p the gov force down our throats every time they open thier fatcat lieing gobs

[FredTransit]

Not just the government though is it? Obviously it comes from the government, but it's how the media dresses it up.

 

Cash for Scrap (not shit, that's never happened before)

£2000 for your banger

Save the environment and buy a new car, get rid of your polluting old car

 

It makes it sound like I can pitch up with a 10 year old scrapper with no wheels and a dead engine and I can be out on the road in a brand new car. What the headlines and (some of) the articles don't spell out is

 

You have to have owned the car for 12 months

It has to have a valid MOT (WTF? Why?)

It has to be 10 years old or older

You can only have the discount off a brand new car

 

And (here's the best one)

 

You could get well over 2 grand off a new car if YOU ASKED THE DEALER, you don't need to scrap a perfectly good car to do it.

 

What I don't get is WHY do the cars have to have a valid MOT? Surely the one time people think about replacing any car is when it fails the MOT.

[Ken B]

I really dont get what everyone is whining about. As everyone on here has stated very few are going to take up the offer. So how many cars that are worth saving are actually going to get scrapped, very few. This scheme is only scheduled at the moment to last a year. The Government, given its precarious financial status, is unlikely to carry their involvment in it any longer than they can afford too. You are losing cars week in week out 24/7 52 weeks a year to the banger boys and every other saloon based oval formula. Dont see everyone carrying on about that. I fail to see the emphasis that everyone has put on the new scheme. The car market is over saturatred as is the classic car market. We you or I cannot save them all. Cherish the ones you have. There will still be plenty about for everyone.

[FredTransit]

The thing is, all old cars are a finite number, they are not making them any more and ANY one that's sent to the crusher with an MOT is a complete waste.

 

We must all have scrapped a car or van, but I would never get rid of one with so much as a door hinge bolt in place. If one has to go for parts, so be it, use something that's made of rust and get whatever can be re used off first.

 

But that's not what I am reading about this scheme. There was a time when the Mk1 escort and the Mk3 cortina was crusher fodder. How many times have I read on here 'oh I remember scrapping loads of those when they were just bangers in the 80s'.?

 

Admittedly I am not a lover of the Corsa or the Ka, but in 20 years time (if any of them get that far) I would like to bet it will be impossible to find a good example, cos legislation and schemes like this one will have seen them off.

 

And don't get me on banger racing.......

[richie_stix]

The thing is, all old cars are a finite number, they are not making them any more and ANY one that's sent to the crusher with an MOT is a complete waste.

 

We must all have scrapped a car or van, but I would never get rid of one with so much as a door hinge bolt in place. If one has to go for parts, so be it, use something that's made of rust and get whatever can be re used off first.

 

But that's not what I am reading about this scheme. There was a time when the Mk1 escort and the Mk3 cortina was crusher fodder. How many times have I read on here 'oh I remember scrapping loads of those when they were just bangers in the 80s'.?

 

Admittedly I am not a lover of the Corsa or the Ka, but in 20 years time (if any of them get that far) I would like to bet it will be impossible to find a good example, cos legislation and schemes like this one will have seen them off.

 

And don't get me on banger racing.......

 

well said! many people on here think cars like corsa's and that won't become classics, but they will! i'm sure in the 80's the capri was never considered a classic!

[Ken B]

Well isnt that what makes a classic unique, the fact there are only a few of each. If there were still as many Mk1 escys around as there was back in the day, it wouldn't have any appeal. The fact is they were scrapped and raced and crushed in their thousands but there still plenty about. Ok they're pricey but thats been made by demand.

I still dont get this notion of why everyone thinks there wont be anything left, Novas Ka's whatever etc in a few years. There will be, cos they will still be stashed away by todays farmers(who never throw anything away) pensioners etc just like the cars we're discovering are now. Like I said the current scheme is only as long as the money lasts. Like i said in my previous post its not the government you need to be worrying about, though having said that, you know full well as i do, it's only a matter of time before the EU will be introducing widespread legislation thats stops the everyday use of vehicles over 10 years old. Hopefully by the time that happens I wont be driving anyway.

[capriz]

Wow big debate going on just read it while drinking my tea so the only thing i will say and i may get shot for it but my friend has i 1993 mk3 vauxhall astra now he has had it roughly 3 years and he has no idea about cars so when the head gasket went he could not get to work in it as it was missing and pressuring up very bad he asked me how much and as a rough guess i said about 200 to fix it and he has not got the money to fix it so what can you buy for that price as everyone seems to ask too much for what they are selling so from his point of view i can see the sense in getting his off the road and getting something new with free servicing thrown in and a warranty. But thats where most people on here are handy on the tools and could easily fix there cars if they went wrong thats why my everyday car is a 14 year old golf but its cheap to maintain thanks to the scrap yard so im sort of on the fence here dont shoot me down just yet thats just my opinion thats all.

[FredTransit]

So what happens if you have not a lot of money to buy a 2nd hand car but can't fix it yourself? It's not just the wanton destruction of roadworthy cars, if this is successful the 2nd hand car market will implode in about 5 years.

[Ken B]

I doubt it very much, as most of the uk still wont be able afford to buy a new car. How many new cars are sold every year anyway, how many cars of those traded against new cars are over 10 years old. and more to the point who is going to sponsor the scheme further even if it is succesfull. Labour will be out next election and i cant see the Tory's carrying it on with OUR money can you?

 

http://www.lovemoney.com/news/household ... -3396.aspx

[Vista]

Labour will be out next election

 

Can I hold you to that?

[Ken B]

yea perhaps i shouldn't count my chickens ay????

[FredTransit]

Here's a thought, there's an opening here for someone with a bit of patter and who knows the trade. People come to you with their car, you haggle 2k off the car they want for them, and take their car in payment. The car is saved, the buyer gets a deal, and the dealer sells a car. RESULT! I feel an ebay ad coming on......