1600 Pinto made into a 2.0

[sambo]

Anyone heard of this? Using a 1.6 block to make 2.0 ltrs??

I'm eying up a pinto but it seems a bit of an oddity really? It apparently has 'special' shortened rods and cosworth pistons in there?

I know this isnt a popular mod so if anyone has any thoughts on this it would be appreciated.

 

[Vista]

I've never heard of it but it seems like a lot of work and expense to go to to end up with a 2 litre capacity.....................that you could of got with a £100 205 block pinto.

 

Perhaps one of the experienced engine builders could offer their wisdom on this?

[Mr Sam]

sounds daft to me but i bet it will rev like fook

[Copey]

would the block walls not go dead thin?

[hellblue]

I think this comes from the hotrod/banger boys with a 1600 cc limit & from what i know the walls are very thin & it would only make a reliable boat anchor

[sambo]

Bit of an odd one really! Apparently it made around 190BHP on the rollers!!! on 45's...... Hmmm...... not sure really. Surely the extra capacity isnt all in the bore is it? It uses a 2.0 crank with the 'special' shortened rods whatever that means?!?!

[ban1216]

Possibly got a different stroke (what you talkin about willis)and capacity can be increased by fitting a stroker crank which will not need the bores to be machined out as much

should rev quite high i would of thought without doing the maths

[sambo]

As far as i know, the crank isnt stroked? That would deffo be on the paperwork.

It was built by Ian Harwood if thats any help?

 

[mk1mexico]

Ian Harwood used to own the business that is now GS escorts??

[sambo]

Ian Harwood used to own the business that is now GS escorts??

 

Yup, indeedy.

[mk1mexico]

Drop graeme a pm hes is still in conrtact with Ian so you could have a crack with the man himself.

[bortaf]

I seem to recal this coming up before, does it not use the 1600 EMAX block or something?

It may have been on Alcoholics Anonymous or turbosport i was reading about it

[sparkycapri]

I remember this about 12-15 years ago built by HT Racing if I remember correctly.

 

1600 block, 1800 diesel rods, 1300 pinto head (off early 2 door sierras) cossy pistons with the skirt machined back and pockets in top to clear valves 20L cossy pistons and cossy crank. Was featured in fast ford or CCC i think back in the time before likes of classic ford/retro ford

 

It revved to 9K I think

 

hopes this helps

 

SPARKY

[caprinerd]

seems alot of work just to get 2.0, cheaper to get a 2.0 and spend what money you saved to mod it

[w p e]

quite an easy way of cheating if required. this mods been done loads of times.it makes a pinto respond like a x/flow

[Fiesta Steve]

quite an easy way of cheating if required. this mods been done loads of times.it makes a pinto respond like a x/flow

 

Well worth it then

[lee_capri]

i have heard of banger racer's doing this

 

1.6 bottom end and a big valve head and camed up

 

spose to be good conbernation but they do race on a banger track

 

i do have engine like this has well running a 3.0l carb jetted down to a 2.0l for those who say it wont work it start's first flick of key,whic is what i have

 

the reasion they do it is it supose to have more low end power then top end far has i understand it

[sambo]

But how do they get the CC's up to 2.0ltr ??

Is it all in the bore then?

[Fiesta Steve]

But how do they get the CC's up to 2.0ltr ??

Is it all in the bore then?

 

I don't know the answer but you said it had a 2 litre crank, if its got a 2 litre crank and the engine is '2 litres' then it must have the same bore as the 2 litre otherwise it wouldn't be 2 litres !

[sparkycapri]

as I said in my post they are 20L cossy pistons on 20L cossy crank so capacity is 2000cc approx but on a much squarer stroke so it will rev higher but piston skirt is machined down to clear piston rods (1800 diesel ones) and machined tops to clear valves as piston goes much closer to head

[Toby]

It was in a Fast Car Mag years ago.

 

The idea was cheap forged pistons.

 

Get hold of a second hand set of Cossy Turbo pistons - turn the bowl off the top of them and bore a 1600 block to suit them, run a std 2.0 crank and short rods.

 

Advantages were fresh bores, cheap pistons.

 

Disadvantages were poor stroke to rod ratio.

 

In reality it is hard to tell the difference in engine charateristics unless doing a side by side - and other things such as cams, carbs, exhaust etc will make more of a difference to the engines behaviour than the Rod to Stroke ratio.

 

A good idea if you want cheap forged piston or as Wayne says if you want to cheat in a class.

 

The "Fast Car" article expected the engine not to rev but I'm sure it sailed past 7k as I recall - I'll dig the mag out.....

[Toby]

this mods been done loads of times it makes a pinto respond like a fookin heavy x/flow

 

Well worth it then

 

 

[sambo]

Cheers guys, more info would be helpfull !!

 

[Fiesta Steve]

as I said in my post they are 20L cossy pistons on 20L cossy crank so capacity is 2000cc approx but on a much squarer stroke so it will rev higher but piston skirt is machined down to clear piston rods (1800 diesel ones) and machined tops to clear valves as piston goes much closer to head

 

Stroke remains the same so won't be any squarer and short rods would only hurt revs.

[Fiesta Steve]

this mods been done loads of times it makes a pinto respond like a fookin heavy x/flow

 

Well worth it then

 

 

 

lol, funny as fook