cosworth yb alternative engines???

[mk14dr]

...and before someone ups the boost i wonder whether the condition of the engine is checked first ??

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and thats the problem, most of the available ones have been budget drifted to death. Winding the boost up here and a bit of oil starvation there suddenly your big end is knocking.

 

They are cracking motors when they're right through. Theres a chap from Doncaster, I think heres on here, he's got a 4door mk2 with a CA18det. I never went for a ride, but it looked pretty nippy.

 

The thing is how much power do you want?

IMHO 200 is near enough in a mk1 properly on the road, in most conditions you'll struggle to get that down.

[mk14dr]

This is Nizzer's mk2

 

[Mr Sam]

^^^^ LOVE that stance

[DarrenM]

You must also consider the cars value when it comes to selling. At least a YB car is worth good money and sought after, any money saved at the build stage may be false economy when you're trying to sell it.

[MM77]

You must also consider the cars value when it comes to selling. At least a YB car is worth good money and sought after, any money saved at the build stage may be false economy when you're trying to sell it.

If you intend to sell

 

None of my OSF's will EVER be for sale

[johnston_evo3]

You must also consider the cars value when it comes to selling. At least a YB car is worth good money and sought after, any money saved at the build stage may be false economy when you're trying to sell it.

If you intend to sell

 

None of my OSF's will EVER be for sale

 

 

Yip why do so many people automatically think for the re sale value for projects

 

I've kept mine for 10 years without it being on the road, once its on the road I will never be parting company by choice!!!

[Mexico]

you never know what the future holds lol may be strapped for cash one day following a big life changing experience lol

 

i sound like mystic meg lol ever thought about mitsibishi or subaru engines? hear all the time about nissans and hondas being used, y not so much the evo's and wrx's??

 

big bucks i can imagine mind

[Billy_smith]

s2000 aint a bad engine.im still doing one at present should be there next year fingers crossed.the touque aint that great tho tbh.255hp tho 9300rpm screamer.i have the 2.3 volvo t5 engine and box in stock as well for a later date.think the box was from a 540 or something,had it a few years now tbh

 

thats the nuts! anymore picutres pig?

[X FLOW EDDY]

The toyota 1600 16v motor out of the mk1 mr2 is geting popular in escorts now.

[mk14dr]

The toyota 1600 16v motor out of the mk1 mr2 is geting popular in escorts now.

 

4A-GE.

The problem is they're not really powerful.

Well designed, robust, revvy and usable, but I daren't think how much it'd cost you to touch even 250hp. Which, lets face it, is just the starting point with a YB.

 

As mentioned, maybe a forced-induction zetec. But they're not renowned for being a cheap install.

 

I see C20LET has been offered as a idea, getting quite thin on the ground now though. Also 400 is a big number for one.

 

Stop mucking about with 4bangers and lob a warmed over 302 in there. The headers will be a custom job, but the noise. torque, simplicity and parts backup is pretty impressive. They ain't as big and heavy as you'd think

[Grizzley Dell]

sorry chaps but if its a ford, keep it a ford. if you gonna go modern go ztec. personaly i like old school. xflow pinto essex.

[jamie956]

Have a look at this not sure what toyota the engine is from GT4 may be, dont think you will get 400bhp any cheaper than cosworth power you mite find an engine but its every thing to go with it thats going to cost, been toying with the idear of a old mitsubishi starion turbo not sure if newer evo engines would link up with the older gear box's.

 

http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=12345&page=1

 

jamie

[johnston_evo3]

Have a look at this not sure what toyota the engine is from GT4 may be, dont think you will get 400bhp any cheaper than cosworth power you mite find an engine but its every thing to go with it thats going to cost, been toying with the idear of a old mitsubishi starion turbo not sure if newer evo engines would link up with the older gear box's.

 

http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=12345&page=1

 

jamie

 

yes they do I've heard of evo3 engines in them

[MK2Ed]

dont think you will get 400bhp any cheaper than cosworth power you mite find an engine but its every thing to go with it thats going to cost,

jamie

 

absofookinlutely, you wont......

Unless, do you really want/need as much as 400bhp?

[Billy_smith]

i rekon you could get a sorted small block for less than a cossie, and thats the most tuned engine in the world!

[bmxdave]

If you want a YB type engine but not so expensive, you need to go Jap.

 

Id very much recomend an SR20 DET from an S14/14a import S13 200sx. They come with a correct box, no need to mod the head like an XE, or add thousands of pounds worth of extras like a Zetec to make it RWD. If you can afford a good SR, go for a CA18 DET.

 

With a CA18, basic stage 2 or stage 3 (AFM, exhaust, fuel pump and T28 turbo with an EBC, FMiC and a few bit n bobs and 300bhp is easy, and if you look around, you can buy the engine and box and ancillaries, and stage 3 it for a grand. You dont get much cheaper then that. Id recomend replacing the big end bearings and clean up all the breathing system and itll be pretty bomb proof. It really is like an RB skyline engine minus 2 cylinders. They can be pretty gutless off boost though.

 

An SR20 is slightly more expensive but you will make more power. Stage 3 is roughly 330-350bhp and you need a bigger turbo but itll make 330lbft-360lb-ft of torque aswell. Far better then a CA. They where developed to drive like a NA 3.0 engine, not a 2.0 Turbo so they very refined.

 

A colleage of mine has just built an SR20. Complete standard internals on an 80odd thousand mile engine, standard remapped ecu, standard head gasket, standard CR, Garrett GT2871r with the bigger ar housing and hes just made 420bhp at the fly. Cant do that with a YB. Off boost it drives like an NA car, not gutless at all as it makes a decent CR stock.

 

I wouldnt bother with VTEC. Lots of noise but not much go. Yeah, once into the powerband theyre pretty good, but its like having a turbo without the big kick. Unless you can bolt a GT30 or a centrifugal charger on there its pointless. If you have the cash a K20 from an S2000 is pretty much limited to about 650bhp on stock internals but the supercharger kit is about £7000 fitted and setup.

 

Id suggest a smaller RB20 or RB25 but space would be an issue. Theyre a struggle to get into 200sx's. Same goes for the 1jz GTE and 2jz from, the Lexus/Toyota Soarers / Supras. If you willing to do bulkhead mods then great, probably some of the most capable engines about but they are BIG.

 

How about rotary? A Mazda 13B is an epic engine, easily capable of 350bhp with a big turbo, and far more with internal work. If you know how to look after one theyre nowhere near as unreliable as youd expect. Just treat it like a 2 stroke engine, thats effectively what they are. Just add 2 stroke mix.

 

You could try a 3s-GTE from a celica or MR2 turbo but theyre more expensive then an SR20 to tune over here, and youd need to make a mix of Supra MA70 parts for the gearbox.

 

Saab turbo is a great option. Very easy reliable powers. Think some of them bolt to a Omega box quite happily. I have a friend with one in his Astra and he is massively impressed. Hes making 270bhp with a boost upgrade and a few bits n bobs added on.

 

The C20 LET is good too, but they cost more money these days then ever and need work to fit.

 

You cant beat the sound of a V8 though. A SBC with alloy heads would be very light and big power. Ford Small Blocks take turbo's very well, and are cheap to buy from Fox bodies and other imports. Lexus V8 are also a great alternative and can make silly numbers, as they bombproof from stock, and can take forced induction well. BMW V8's are great too.

 

Theres plenty more stuff out there, but personally theyre your easiest options.

 

Hope ive been helpfull

[zetecmk2]

the lexus v8 is well rated. if you can weld, mounts are no problem, the only cost it the gearbox adaptor machining..if you use a strange box!!!

i still love the idea of a saab 2.3 low pressure turbo with anti lag. allways on boost, post 96 opens up cheap gm box's. mrs zetec's ex built mad off road buggies with 400-500 hp using these engines years ago. i thought he was full of shyte, being the mrs' ex an all, then it became common knowledge about the steel internals......he offered me 3 engines for nothing, and i slated 'em oh how i wish i listened!!!

ppc only did a budget build...but chuck a few £ at 'em

ps..you're welcome to use kooltina as a test bed!!

[GT_lenny]

thanks for the replys folks i think he's leaning towards the datsun lump,the main problem was we both know cosworth engines pretty well having both owned tuned sierra cosworths in the past but neither of knows anyhting about tuning the 18/20 det, (what internals take what bits cost and what power is acheivable) but now we have a rough idea , cheers

[Nick Mexi-cos]

Theres some guys IN japan and the states running over 500bhp with SR20DET with standard internals , but you would need to uprate Headgasket and fit some nice cams with rocker arm stoppers , plenty of good turbo's out there , I had one running HKS GTRS turbo Made over 400bhp on 1.2 bar of boost and drove like it was a high revving NA engine no lag , also my old car made 440@ fly on Trust TD0620G

Great engine got to say

[big mike]

oh right, they came up in conversation but aint they a pain to get a gearbox/bell housing for?

 

I think the 9 series volvo gearbox bolts straight on, thats what im going to do to my mk5

[cortina-mk1]

heres a vid to a SB Ford windsor fitted to a mk1 cortina

 

 

[LGreen]

Bumping up and old topic but a good topic. was talking last night and was informed about the volvo t4 engine. (was in volvo s40's) both in 1.9 turbo and 2 litre turbo. the 1.9 turbo is the one to go for, believe code is b4194t2, as its got a thicker block walls. stick a later turbo off a t5 and new injectors and you will have around 300bhp which is more than enough. its an all ali block so nice and light, 4 pot so doesnt take up too much room. can pick one up from the scrap yard for well under £1000 but the bit I'm not fully sure on and he wasnt was if a T5 gearbox from a cossy would bolt on. He thought the bolt pattern was the same. Anybody know out there? lg

[mk1super]

How good does that SB Ford windsor sound

[killerkerry89]

most decent audis have RWD oriented engines but have a FWD gearbox, kind of a regular rwd gearbox, diff and prop all into one box driving the front wheels (crackheads or what??)

no idea at all about cost but would be interesting conversion. come to think of it, is it the RS8 or something that has the 6.2 twin turbo V10? probably a small fortune to aquire but you could pinch the 4wd system as well. what are you shoehorning this into again...? certainly would make a very unique car! that or the fordracing usa aluminator engine, 32valve quad cam all ali supercharges firebreather of a v8, 700bhp and 600ft/lb anyone?? it gains extra kudos because its out of the ford competition drift mustang!

do you have 5 grand to spend on a tremec 6 spd?

 

i should probably shut up now!

[Andrade]

most decent audis have RWD oriented engines but have a FWD gearbox, kind of a regular rwd gearbox, diff and prop all into one box driving the front wheels (crackheads or what??)

 

Sounds perfect for installing it instead of the rear seat?