rs2000 mk2 gearbox 4 speed wanted

[kev the rev]

wanted rs2000 mk2 4speed gearbox  cheers

[colr6]

Any 2.0 four speed is the same ie cortina/ Granada don’t get led down the path is RS specific. What’s wrong with your box ?

[kev the rev]

29 minutes ago, colr6 said:

Any 2.0 four speed is the same ie cortina/ Granada don’t get led down the path is RS specific. What’s wrong with your box ?

nowt wrong mate ive a t9 5 speed  and im loathe to cut another hole in the new floor im puting in the rs

[Vista]

Stick with the T9, the ratios for 1st to 4th are the same as the Type E anyway

[Miniliteman]

1 hour ago, colr6 said:

Any 2.0 four speed is the same ie cortina/ Granada don’t get led down the path is RS specific. What’s wrong with your box ?

Rs gearbox has a different main shaft.

[colr6]

3 minutes ago, Miniliteman said:

Rs gearbox has a different main shaft.

We had the same boxes supplied by ford deal whether it be RS/ Cortina or Granada. What is the difference on main shaft? 

[Miniliteman]

Different diameter. Most if not all of the aftermarket gearsets are for the RS gearbox.

[katana]

13 hours ago, kevs mk2 rs2000 said:

nowt wrong mate ive a t9 5 speed  and im loathe to cut another hole in the new floor im puting in the rs

RS lever hole is in different place compared to normal - same as T9 actually, so you'll be cutting a new hole whatever! If you want a 4sp - keep the T9 and don't use 5th LOL!

[Rally Pack 2000]

Im with Col on this one. While there are some Type Es that have a different size main shaft they seem to be rarer with most being large and not RS specific. (I have never been able to find out what the small shaft Type Es were ever fitted too? 1.6 Sierras? I've never seen one ever as our Cortina/Escorts had the same type I have only ever heard tell of these smaller shaft Type Es from European sources not even a comparison photo) Most Pinto engined Cortinas, Capris Mexicos and RS2000 both Mk1 and 2 shared the same Type E gearbox. The strengthened RS box claim is a myth that's morphed from the Rocket Box which is the competition set based on the Type E. Adding a unique alloy bell housing just further gave the impression they were somehow different. The Standard Type E gearboxes are interchangeable.

On 24/01/2022 at 06:48, kevs mk2 rs2000 said:

nowt wrong mate ive a t9 5 speed  and im loathe to cut another hole in the new floor im puting in the rs

 

20 hours ago, katana said:

RS lever hole is in different place compared to normal - same as T9 actually, so you'll be cutting a new hole whatever! If you want a 4sp - keep the T9 and don't use 5th LOL!

Yes this point is important to mention with this thread because the Type E used in European RS2000s and Mexicos use the standard Cortina Extension housings the hole position of a Standard RS is further back to regular Escorts and as to why they have different centre consoles. On an RS the position should already match a Type 9. I dare say your tunnel replacement is standard Mk2 escort rather than in the RS position? This only applies to European RS models though. Ford Australia created their own extension housing for the Type E gearbox that allows it to be used with the standard Escort gear lever placement. So another option if you don't want to cut the hole further back you can acquire an Australian Extension housing for your 4 speed. (They don't work with Type 9s)

I go against the grain here and prefer the 4 speed personally unless your no longer using the standard tall 3.54 diff which cruises very well with just 4th. I think the low first is the main issue with both the standard box and Type 9. Getting a raised first gear became one of the most significant and pleasurable changes that I ever made to my Mk2 over and above any need for a 5th gear.

[eeb43]

8 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

Im with Col on this one. While there are some Type Es that have a different size main shaft they seem to be rarer with most being large and not RS specific. (I have never been able to find out what the small shaft Type Es were ever fitted too? 1.6 Sierras? I've never seen one ever as our Cortina/Escorts had the same type I have only ever heard tell of these smaller shaft Type Es from European sources not even a comparison photo) Most Pinto engined Cortinas, Capris Mexicos and RS2000 both Mk1 and 2 shared the same Type E gearbox. The strengthened RS box claim is a myth that's morphed from the Rocket Box which is the competition set based on the Type E. Adding a unique alloy bell housing just further gave the impression they were somehow different. The Standard Type E gearboxes are interchangeable.

 

Yes this point is important to mention with this thread because the Type E used in European RS2000s and Mexicos use the standard Cortina Extension housings the hole position of a Standard RS is further back to regular Escorts and as to why they have different centre consoles. On an RS the position should already match a Type 9. I dare say your tunnel replacement is standard Mk2 escort rather than in the RS position? This only applies to European RS models though. Ford Australia created their own extension housing for the Type E gearbox that allows it to be used with the standard Escort gear lever placement. So another option if you don't want to cut the hole further back you can acquire an Australian Extension housing for your 4 speed. (They don't work with Type 9s)

I go against the grain here and prefer the 4 speed personally unless your no longer using the standard tall 3.54 diff which cruises very well with just 4th. I think the low first is the main issue with both the standard box and Type 9. Getting a raised first gear became one of the most significant and pleasurable changes that I ever made to my Mk2 over and above any need for a 5th gear.

got a gearbox like that here with the stick forward but low 2nd gear

[katana]

37 minutes ago, eeb43 said:

got a gearbox like that here with the stick forward but low 2nd gear

'Low 2nd gear' ? ? ? That's a new one on me!

[Miniliteman]

Photo with Sierra gearbox and RS gearbox parts together.

Friend of mine adapts extension housing for F2 stockcar but it can also be modified for std Escort gearstick position.

 

[Rally Pack 2000]

4 hours ago, Miniliteman said:

Photo with Sierra gearbox and RS gearbox parts together.

Friend of mine adapts extension housing for F2 stockcar but it can also be modified for std Escort gearstick position.

 

Thanks for the photo comparison, that's awesome. I know they existed as years ago when I got my raised first gear set from BGH Geartech they mentioned the two types and they know their stuff. Burtons list one size synchros for all but there are definitely two sizes by that photo! Lovely Casting! So the small shaft type Es are definitely Sierra ones then? That would explain why I have never seen one as Sierras were never sold here! Im still curious why Ford made them though, I would have thought it costs more money having two in production over one. It was one of the reasons Ford Australia never bothered with any other gearbox for their Mk2s. They put Type Es in everything, 1300's to 2000's and created their own extension housing so they all used the same floor-pan and consoles. I remember when one of our gearbox's  were ruined in our 2lt cars we would go to wreckers and get replacements out of 1300s with the idea they were less thrashed LOL

Not to hi-jack this thread but has anyone tried the Quaife steel synchros over the brass ones in their Type E? Worth the expense do you think?

[Rally Pack 2000]

14 hours ago, eeb43 said:

got a gearbox like that here with the stick forward but low 2nd gear

 

14 hours ago, katana said:

'Low 2nd gear' ? ? ? That's a new one on me!

Same, Would love to hear more about it?

[eeb43]

9 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

 

Same, Would love to hear more about it?

2nd is about 2.3 -1

[katana]

Certainly not a std. gear set then as that ratio has NEVER been available from Ford in a Type E case! Possibly a competition set of gears or even a '2000E' box as their quoted 2nd is close to the stated figure and these were fitted to early Twin Cams, RS1600's and mk1 Mexico's ?

[Miniliteman]

In the photo Sierra is on the left, RS on the right.

Friend of mine once used steel synchros but quickly changed back to brass. Don't know why exactly, probably wear related.

[eeb43]

6 hours ago, katana said:

Certainly not a std. gear set then as that ratio has NEVER been available from Ford in a Type E case! Possibly a competition set of gears or even a '2000E' box as their quoted 2nd is close to the stated figure and these were fitted to early Twin Cams, RS1600's and mk1 Mexico's ?

cortina p100 box has that ratio 2000e is 2.03

[Nursebetty]

That extension housing is very nicely done.

Moving the hole is one reason i havent put a 5 speed in.