Is it the real deal or is it a replica?

[borneo]

There are some cars that are quite clearly the real deal. I don't think i need explain this any further. There are also cars that are quite clearly a replica. From Lambo kit cars and MR2s that look like Ferraris to Escort 1.3Ls that have been made to look like an RS2000 on the outside while still running the standard engine. Then in the middle we have some that are a little harder to define. What if a car has been reshelled? What if a car has been built out of two or more different cars to the to the spec of one of the donors? Are these cars the real deal or a replica. While it's true that my car fits into the latter category, i'm not fussed what anyone thinks of it. It looks the dogs, goes like stink and i bought it for the price of the lower speced car. That's good enough for me. I've seen a few discussions on cars like this just recently and i'm just interested in peoples views on the subject in general. Thought it would make an interesting thread.

[Gareth]

I personally dont care whether its genuine or not...

 

As long as its on the road

 

1100s, 1300s, mex's rs's they're all old skool,

 

and thats all that matters

[arch]

good point. i think if the car has been dun properly i.e (reshelled) its still the genuine thing because if the shell is rotton an ur doin alot of welding u could say its not gen cos half of its been replaced. aslong as its got all the bits an bobs it should have an all the vin an chassis numbers match i couldnt care relli its still genuine to me. but i would still buy a repillca (1.3l with rs2000 stripes) if was a sweet motor i would still buy it. thts just my opinion anyway

[Twinkle]

people used to say to me is it a replica twin cam and i would say no its an escort with a twin cam engine

[Gareth]

good point. i think if the car has been dun properly i.e (reshelled) its still the genuine thing because if the shell is rotton an ur doin alot of welding u could say its not gen cos half of its been replaced.

 

Well, I disagree cuz it's still a geuine shell, jus repaired.

 

Whereas u reshell a car, say a RS2k wit a mex shell (mk1)

yeah, they're still T49 shells but its not a Rs2k on the log book even

though it looks like one on the outside

 

Even easier to spot are the standard shells with the strentheners,

may have been done properly but still not genuine

[Cookie]

This one I have only one view on, a mexico is only a mexico if the logbook and numbers it has now are with and on the very same shell that they all left the factory together with, if it's been re'shelled then its not the same car.

 

A lot of folk will disagree here and say changing a 'shell' is the same as changig any other panel come on, thats rubbish, the shell of any car is the car! full stop!

 

my view is the same as yours mate, it makes no odds to me what model it was as they are always ripped apart anyway, a cossie'd mk1 using a 110 shell bought for £1500 or a mex shell bought for £4k both to be rpped apart, mmmmm i wonder

[Cookie]

Oh and I know the ford rally team used the same numbers on different cars etc, but you know, they are a rally team going through 'x' amount of shells a year and are not joe public plus they made the things

[caprifan]

i think the escort world is more accepting of reshelling then other models....if a Capri 280 was re-shelled I don't think many Capri owners would then class that car as a genuine 280...even if a 2.8 shell was used...and I agree ,if the car is so rotten that the only bit of the shell that can be saved is the vin tags then that car is dead...yes a Capri bearing the remnants of the 280 exists but it isn't a genuine 280 and shouldn't be sold as one....

 

however you see famous rally escorts being sold for a fortune because they have the number plates and id even though it could of been reshelled many times...to me thats not genuine...if its been reshelled then its not the original car....

 

...these are just my opinions on it...

[johnny_h]

If anyone asks me i just say this week i have mostly been eating moss.

[arch]

i didnt say it wasnt a gen shell i sed sum people say its not gen cos half of its been replaced an i think it doesnt mater. its all down to people beenin anorracky. people put rs 4 spokes on tinas a four door escorts an stuff sum ppl say it aint a rs they shouldnt be on there. i think so hu cares its ther car they can do want they want with it still looks cool

[bomber1]

to me as long as its got the right parts and same shell as the orignal car ie a t49 into a t49 its all good. tho ive been asked loads times is it a mexico no its a mk1 with x y and z done to it

[Jimbob-Squarepants ©]

If anyone asks me i just say this week i have mostly been eating moss.

 

FPMSL

 

I have to say that it doesn't really bother me in the slightest. The only thing that I don't like & I think is wrong, is if someone put's their car up for sale saying it's genuine, and it isn't. For these cars, the title "Replica" should be given.

 

Lifes to short at the end of the day, these cars were modded back in the day, they are still modded now. I seem to have become a big lover of originality some how , but the way I see it, as long as any mods I do are bolt on, and I have kept the original parts to change back, where's the problem? Also bear in mind, some mods will actually increase the value of the car as well. There are quite a few I can think of that help the Anglia's out when it comes to modernising and saftey.... How about Halogen headlamps, Disc Brakes, Telescopic rear shocks.

 

If people were not afraid to play around with their cars and make their own interpritations of what they think is nice, this would be a bit of a boring world to live in wouldn't it???

[ZetecVan 2.0]

If anyone asks me i just say this week i have mostly been eating moss.

 

This Moss?

 

[Vista]

For what it's worth I have no problems with reshells or replicas as long as there is no attempt to disguise the fact to a buyer.

 

A Replica for instance, take an 1100L that somebody has fitted a Pinto into and painted and striped to look like an RS2000 IS a cool car but it is not an RS2000 and therefore it's value is significantly less. Unfortunately there are still people out there that will attempt to con a perspective buyer like this and equally there are still buyers that are blissfully unaware of the difference in specification and value.

 

A reshell in my opinion can be split further into two categories. Reshell with a same specification shell and reshell with a different specification shell.

 

Reshell an RS/Mex with a same spec T49 shell then it remains an RS2000, it may not be original but it is unequivocally an RS2000. If the manufacturer can do it (and it wasn't only the works teams, accident damaged vehicles were reshelled by Ford back when it was still economical to do such a thing) then we as owners can do it. It may not be the same car, but it is comparable to the original manufacturers specification.

 

Reshell an RS/Mex with a different spec shell and it becomes a replica despite the fact that it retains the correct VIN plate. If the shell used does not conform to the specification that the manufacturer would have supplied, it is not the same car nor is it comparable to the original.

 

If the car has been built out of one or more donor shells using the good parts of them, then providing that the donor parts used were of the same category and specification as the original then as far as I'm concerned it falls into the category of a correct reshell. a T49 escort after all shared most of its component parts with a standard shell, why should replacing the roof on a T49 shell with one that came from a standard shell make any difference?

[d13dkt]

if its on the road, goes, stops,is legal and looks good, drive it and love it.

to me its more about the driveing

weather its e replica or a full genuine car is not important as long as you dont make it out to be something its not

 

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[MK5]

if its on the road, goes, stops,is legal and looks good, drive it and love it.

to me its more about the driveing

weather its e replica or a full genuine car is not important as long as you dont make it out to be something its not

 

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agree completely

[oldskool100e]

I supose it all depends when and why it was done... a car that was re-shelled early on in it's life as a result of accident damage is a different matter to one that was deliberatly faked into a more vauluable version in an efort to rip someone off....

 

But at the end of the day, another old car that's still on the road can only be a good thing...