Hmm, desicions on cossie power...

[puddy]

And I wanna see how reliable a 9000rpm rubber engined atmo screamer is

 

gonna be?

 

Still ain't answered my questions yet gaz,either.

 

Oh,by the way,my unreliable turbo motor with no grip ran 0-60 in 4.91

 

in 1991 for that feature as well on proper street tyres,

 

puddy

[boXXer]

what a load of cack being said about 300hp cossies blowing up! They were supposed to be that as standard! lol. i had a Karl Norris Stg1 Conversion on my 3dr, and it kept up with other stg3 cars as it ran 30psi boost, but you dont need to go that mad. The T3 is such a small turbo, that its on full boost by 3k anyway, a lot quicker than the cams you'll have in your atmo cossie lump. Especially if it revs to 9k!

 

IMO, Atmo cossie are a waste of money. especially as its loads cheaper (and more fun!) to just get a cheap plug-in stg1 chip.

[Jay_harrier]

get the atmo engine running m8,then flog itthen go for a turbo yb.no one has said there the fastest up the strip or the fastest on a track.but you rant one with good power and you will piss your knickers my friend and for me that is what its about spinning the wheels in most gears.on the move from 50mph fook all and i mean will touch you.again imo.your love both i would think any way.i had grip issues at silverstone and trouble carching steve in the fiesta because i had no grip(it was fooking great).and as said the yb's keep blowing up,but on that day steve's atmo fiesta popped unfortunatly.good thread this again imo

 

As SiDeWaYsPiG says (have you noticed that if you type P I G the forum changes it to plod? how PC, will it change "gay" into "happy"), are you in it for a laugh or for the sport?, make your choice and choose your weapon, besides if you're in it for sport you'll be handicapped/classed with similar cars.

 

I really like Atmo engines just because of the revs, noise & my fascination with Grp4 cars - and its more authentic if you want a car in keeping the period. But you can't beat a turbo lump for lunacy.

 

Reliabilty of the Cossie lump is a myth - you only hear about the bad ones, some tuned ones don't last as long as expected due to areas being overlooked or the boundaries being pushed.

 

The other myth that should be dispelled is that turbo cars don't get off the line - its all in the boost, torque and grip management, people are happy to throw in the line about all turbo engines being full of lag but that's crap too. A decent hybrid turbo will spool up in fractions of a second - and then there's anti-lag....

 

This debate will run until we're all running electric cars.....

 

I'd see if you can get a go or ride in one before jumping one way or the other

[tim]

As a point of interest the YB was origanally designed as a normally aspirated engine years before the turbo version came along.................anyway back to the point, I run a n/a yb in my anglebox, it's only mild spec running 208bhp at the flywheel, it's 1/4 mile times are average, it is great fun to drive, good at low speed and high speed, it leaves turbo cars on the line, until the 1/8th then I'm in second place! I say if you want big power go turbo but you must have the drivetrain to go with it. No good having 300hp if you cant get it on the road. I dont think reliability is an issue with this engine providing it is maintained using quality products. After all that mad Escort cossie drag car from malta runs nearly 1000hp on a standard crank!

 

i always thoguht the YB was desiged as a turbo unit when ford wanted an engine for its sierra project,a true na cosworth engine is a BDA

[Guest MK1gaz]

The only cack being spouted on here is "the turbos are reliable " one . Some people must be walking around with their eyes shut because turbo yb's blow up more often than a Bagdad police station !!!!!!! Whoooooooosh , Bang , game over

[PIG]

steve i did say from 50mph m8,both cars doing the same speed .

sambo if you see me at any meet i will be more than happy to take you up the road for a quick spin if you want a go in one m8.its defo not the quickest out there but your get the idea and you will come back smiling

[boXXer]

ive had my cossie 3 years, maxed out to 30psi on yellows, for 20 thousand miles. And its still alive mate. They only blow when they run lean and melt!

 

 

i dont think you know your turbo YB's that well....

[w p e]

I'm just asking , has anyone seen a 300 bhp turbo engine keep up with a 220 bhp atmo screamer anywhere except at high speed on the motorway . I you want to do 150 mph just buy a £500 3.5 litre bmw instead , at least it won't explode every week !!!!!!!!

 

You still ain't answered my questions gary?

 

And a cossie on a 3.75 diff with 13" wheels ain't gonna do 150mph!

 

Mine did 122mph flat out @ brunters, fast car feature 1991,285 bhp

 

conversion,standard everything ,never missed a beat .

 

Wheres your proof?. not getting involved here but the so called tango car [ atmo cossie darryls old car pulled 127mph on 4.1 diff at performance ford mag shoot out at brunters test track a few years ago

 

puddy

[Guest MK1gaz]

They are unreliable mate , end off They go well on big boost then blow up even quicker , they're only reliable if left standard where they go like an old donkey

[mitomad]

In other words Gaz doesnt want another car out there thats faster then his.

[Guest MK1gaz]

Well if tango (atmo cossie) can do 127 mph using a 4:1 diff and 13 inch rims then that's quick enough for most roads , tracks , hillclimbs , drag strips etc plus it sounds the tits .

[Guest MK1gaz]

In other words Gaz doesnt want another car out there thats faster then his.

I'm not bothered what's faster or slower than mine mate , mines a road car not a race car so if i was only worried about speed then i'd be leaving all the heavy bits off instead of using them .

[Guest MK1gaz]

So what's it too be then Sambo my friend free reving , barking , snarling atmo yb power that won't blow up even after years of abuse or whoooooosh , bang , game over turbo yb that sounds shite !!!!!!!

[sambo]

Well. What a thread eh?! Phew! just read through that lot this morning and i have to decided to suck it and see. It'd be rude not to as man, i love the snort of the 48's! The only trouble is that it's built around a pinto bottom end so no 9K screaming for me! Anyway, the car is set-up with a 4.6cwp atlas and 5-link etc with 8 x 16" wheels on cut slicks so it should grip fairly well.

I think i will take up p1g's offer of going for a spin cos i really need to 'feel' the power of a good spec YB turbo. The only reason i want more power is the fact that the car is built to handle it and i want to embarrass my mates in his porsche!

I cant really see how a 200 bhp n/a car against a 300bhp turbo car can be quicker. especially in a 1/4 mile drag race. I drove a 220hp 3.0ltr alfa and whilst being pretty grunty and quick, being in my friends turbo porsche, well it just fooking knocks your head off when the turbo winds up!

 

I will deffo get the n/a up and running first for the brands track day and see how i get on.

P1g your going arent ya? I feel a race coming on!!!!

[GT_Jim]

i agree with you sambo, you have the engine already so just give it a try then if you feel you need more then get some boost.

 

its a tough one to call though with the YB as they both have there upsides and down. but i was to get one i'd be tempted to keep the turbo but just tweak it slightly

[Guest MK1gaz]

Sambo trust me a 200bhp atmo engine is as fast as a 300bhp turbo engine because a turbo engine has a shit power delievery which goes like this = foook all power ,fooook all power , foooook all power , whoooosh , wheelspin , change up !!!!!!!!!

[Retromotorsport]

Sambo trust me a 200bhp atmo engine is as fast as a 300bhp turbo engine because a turbo engine has a shit power delievery which goes like this = foook all power ,fooook all power , foooook all power , whoooosh , wheelspin , change up !!!!!!!!!

 

Have you been in a properly mapped 300bhp turbo car Gaz ... ??

[w p e]

well proven fact that turbo engines need 40% more power then a atmo engine to come anywhere close. im not biased sam each to there own but would say give it a go. ps they can rev to 9 large but theres no power there so your pinto bottom is quite capable of 7500 rpm safely. try it if not sell it as you wont loose on it. as some people on here state they cost so much money to build so you cant loose but what do i know. ps i aint forgot you i just been ill should be up either this week or early next week

[sambo]

I cant see wheel spin being too much of a problem Gaz. Im not running 13's on this one. Being in my friends flat 6 turbo, it does have a lot of lag but when its on boost, it pulls in each gear for ages no quick gear changes needed you can just enjoy the force of the g's for a while!

Here's a pic of the big old tyres im running so i should have good grip with them?

 

 

How much power does your turbo engine make pig??? And im sure retro al doesnt suffer alot of wheelspin with his huge wheels??

[PIG]

in fairness to al his suspension,steering have all been set up properly as im aware m8 and he has huge fookin tyres as well .mine was dyno'd at 419 pub figures i know but it does go like fook in my eyes m8.im also running 3.09 diff ratio although after a top speed run that will be changed to i would think a more track friendly 3.77 m8.that atmo yb's at brands were very quick round there.

[sambo]

Cool, 419BHP!!!!!!! Bloody hell, so what reliablity issues do you have p1g?? lol

dont suppose you guys know what diff ratio the other atmo cars are running do you?? I have a 4 speed box and a 4.6 cwp so im worried i'll be on the limiter all the time?

[RETRO_AL]

i dont get a lot of wheelspin,it will if i launch very hard, or sidestep the clutch halfway round a bend but on the road its just what i wanted, put my foot down and theres no wheel spin just grip and it doesnt feel dangerous

gaz knows fook all about turbos,hes stuck in his own stupid world (gazikstan) he claims this and that but never comes up with any proof to his bullshit

if its not a pinto or n.a yb its shit,if its got nos its cheating if its stripped out its cheating, if its not got road tyres its cheating

his says his car is a pure street car oh yeah with a full race n/a yb, straight cutt box,dry sump tank in the boot(weres he ganna put his shopping ) rollcage

[Arched Escy]

i dont get a lot of wheelspin,it will if i launch very hard, or sidestep the clutch halfway round a bend but on the road its just what i wanted, put my foot down and theres no wheel spin just grip and it doesnt feel dangerous

gaz knows fook all about turbos,hes stuck in his own stupid world (gazikstan) he claims this and that but never comes up with any proof to his bullshit

if its not a pinto or n.a yb its shit,if its got nos its cheating if its stripped out its cheating, if its not got road tyres its cheating

his says his car is a pure street car oh yeah with a full race n/a yb, straight cutt box,dry sump tank in the boot(weres he ganna put his shopping ) rollcage

[escort21]

Gaz meant his is a street car so has lights, indicators etc....all adds up on weight

 

Looks like what we need is a sorted 200bhp na cossy to go up against a 300 bhp sorted turbo to see whos right

[sambo]

Well, the retro ford brands day will be my first outing on a track so i will be just pootling around like a pussy!