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[Guest MK1gaz]

sanspeed rollers are good

at least your car works properly after it's been at sanspeed

[Guest MK1gaz]

On turbosport however they really hate pintos with twin carbs and dizzys etc , they slagg off my old Harris pinto that's now in my mates car and reckon that it must be rubbish because it didn't have 16 valves like all the new engines have . Then they ramble on about how much power it can only have because it's an outdated engine design and is not tuned by cosworth today like a duratec is .

 

The fact that you've dumped your Harris Pinto for a YB speaks volumes though mate..

 

i never dumped it i sold it to my mate , he's the 3rd happy owner of it

[fezza]

Was'nt Big Baz's car rolling roaded at Track and Road at about 150/160 and he runs 13.7's at the Pod

very interesting , and how did baz find his car was running after one of their top tune ups !!!!!

Think it was a Shoot out day so it was more of a power run,he did'nt have it set up,but they done a full set up my xflow and it was shit hot bad experience m8

[ratman]

sanspeed rollers are good

at least your car works properly after it's been at sanspeed

 

sanspeed my pinto made 175 bhp on his rollers

[RChambers]

yes mate thats correct , 156 bhp after they foooooked up the set up and then wouldn't let me hold open the throttle after the cable pulled into the bulkhead . The turbosport clique harp on about track n road being the only dyno that gives a true reading , what a load of old cobblers i say !!!!!

 

Gaz this is getting beyond a joke now, badmouthing someones livelyhood. Why don't you tell the full story rather than your blinkered views. Steve said your car did achieve full throttle even with your dodgy throttle bracket that was put on wrong. Your car run fine on the rollers and was fine when you burned off down the road as witnessed by everyone there. You have also been offered a free power run after you had the engine setup somewhere else but you didn't take them up on the offer. Track 'n' Road is proven the most accurate rolling road as its one of the few that give the same power readings as HT Racings dyno. As an Example Darran Moss' car made 211bhp on HT Racings dyno, 208bhp (I believe) and 230bhp on Sanspeeds rollers. There is nothing wrong with Sanspeed and they give excellent service like you say but their rollers quote you happy. Banter is all well and good but when you start attacking someones business unjustified then its gone too far.

[Tigran]

"BHP sells cars, torque wins races"

 

...is how the old saying went I believe.

[fezza]

Track 'n' Road is proven the most accurate rolling road as its one of the few that give the same power readings as HT Racings dyno. As an Example Darran Moss' car made 211bhp on HT Racings dyno, 208bhp (I believe) and 230bhp on Sanspeeds rollers.

 

Got to agree with that,this is the reason i went to Track 'n' Road,because of thier reputation ,sad but true some places do ''quote you happy''

[Posse]

norwich union quoted me happy too

[Baz.]

my pinto has 149.6 bhp at track and road, the only thing i dont like is one of the steves attitude personaly!

 

next time Sanspeed and it runs 13.7

[Guest MK1gaz]

right , this goes out to all the track n road brown nosers who give it all the bunny on the turbosport forum ( you know who you are ) . It's all right for you lot to slagg of a proper Harris pinto and say that it's shit because those 2 stroppy gits at track n road mucked up it's settings and then when i contested the results you all got a strop on . It's not hard to piss around with a cars dizzy and carb balance screws to make it lose 30 bhp is it , and everybody knows that unless a modified engine is set up spot on it will not perform . It's funny how a 156 bhp ( really 180+ bhp ) pinto in a full unlightened 910+ kilo mk1 escort with no gas , no slicks , running on street tyres does 13.8 sec quarter @ 97 mph at the pod then . That's after those 2 charming chaps at track n road described my Harris pinto as shit !!!!!! It was shit after they touched it , i switched it off at home and it was still coughing and spluttering for 30 secs with the keys removed !!!!!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

my pinto has 149.6 bhp at track and road, the only thing i dont like is one of the steves attitude personaly!

 

next time Sanspeed and it runs 13.7

yes baz i agree about the attidude but i thought it was both of them . Peter at sanspeed is a top bloke and really knows how to tune an oldskool engine properly . Some people ( usually the track n road lovers from turbosport ) reckon that his dyno reads 30 bhp over track n roads "super dyno" , what a load of old cobblers it's more like 5 bhp . Most of the quick oldskool motors in the london area are tuned/set up by peter at sanspeed and all his customers that i've meet are very happy with his services . So the next time you hear people slag of sanspeeds rollers tell them that " how come all the quick motors are tuned/set up there then ".

[Col-ashtonmobile]

m8 i,ve built a few pinto,s, some for people on this site , 2.1tony, 100eray, i would always go peter at sanspeed , he is a top bloke who does,nt do it quickly & then take your money , i dont give a shit if his rollers are out cos the way the engine runs after more than makes up for it , 100eray uses his car every day and still rags it at santa pod and it dont miss a beat, as you know ron is a good friend of mine and for anyone to slag his pinto,s off know nothing , dont worry about it m8 , we know the score

[Guest MK1gaz]

yes well said v6col , it just amazes me that people can doubt the performance and power produced by a proper Ron Harris stroked pinto . These engines are fantastic and set some rapid times at every drag strip every year at every meeting . It's not as if they hide in garages being polished is it ?

[Baz.]

when i left track and road my car went like stink over 3000RPM, i told them all night it had to be driveable, it was so bad in traffic or slow driving, that when we went back for the OSF shoot out i had to get them to sort it out, and the shorter of the two steves got the hump! the taller steve did sort it out though, personaly i wont go back, and should of listen to Colin (v6 col) who told me to take it to Sanspeed.

[matt]

Gaz no one is disputing harris pinto's come to think of no one is slagging off pinto's wot winds everyone up is you inability to believe anything other than your own bullshit.

My install for instance is costing £5000+ acording to you

No it isnt its probably going to cost £2000.

I'm sure as you spend more time on osf people will begin to realise you like a wind up but also that you live in your own little backwards world and can never be wrong or taught anything.

Enjoy you stay.

Ps OSF i feel sorry for you

[Retromotorsport]

Gaz , must say when you get out ya pram you do make some cock ups...

 

 

5 bhp out ... thats what you said, ..wel on 100bhp at HT's and T&R that will be 105bhp at Peters, so on a 300bhp engine that would be 315bhp..

 

you can't say that it reads 5 bhp over.. the people on TS just say it over reads, and personally I havn't seen anyone slag of Peter, he does a job very well, it just that your hung up on the Numbers, which dont count for diddly squat..

 

hence why a 149bhp car went quicker than you 180 car.. oh and to get 180 down the strip dont you thing the staff may say something about your mate having to hold the throttles open. (thats a joke to calm things down )

 

Again.. the only one doing the winding up and slagging off is you... you slagged anyone with a 16v engine..then you went 16v and slagged off anyone without a 16v pinto..

 

You have done a wonderfull job of winding up over at TS .. but then you never listen to constructive destruction of you own wind-ups.

 

Like the fact according to you a carb and a clockwork dizzy will produce a better running car than TB's and ECU.. after saying things like that you expect people to take your comments seriously.

 

As for the attitude at T&R .. When they see an engine with the carb linkage the wrong way round and bending the spindles .. they mention it, yes they may say what plonker put that on the end, but hey..better than letting you think its right.

 

 

And a final note... Find one post where I have ever slagged off a pinto, yes i call them " pintosuaruses" cos they are an old engine, but they still deliver the goods, just not as well as more modern engine designs.

And find a post where i slag of any of the Harris engines.

 

And i'll repeat the offer as it was me who made it.... get the old engine tuned and running at peak performance and i'll pay for it to go on the rollers at T&R ... they wont touch it, and you can hold the throttles wide open, you can have Ron there too, and Peter.. whoever.

 

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Again and for the record....................

 

T&R's roller is within 0.5 % of Arrons at HT Racings Dyno, it is also in within 0.5% of OE manufactures chosen engine dynos... and they use T&R's roller as it makes their cars look good when they go elsewhere and find that the Standard 150 Ford puma has 170 bhp.... or 151 at T&R.

 

The thing that is being lost here is that a dyno dosnt have to read accuratly unless it being used for OE purposes, the aim is test the engine, and make changes according to the graphs and data produced... the numbers are just numbers, it dosnt matter if there is a '0' added to them..

 

a 100bhp thats tuned to make 101 bhp is gain

a 1000bhp thats tuned to make 1010bhp is a gain.

 

a gain of 1%.

 

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[Guest MK1gaz]

yeah , yeah , yeah . I took my carbs and linkage back to southern carbs and they said that it is one thats designed to fit like that . In fact i'll give you £100 if you can fit it in the middle without buying a different type then . The only reason it wouldn't go on to full throttle that day was because the cable was pulling from inside the bulkhead , it was pissing with rain and i didn't have a new cable so i asked to hold down the throttle during the power run . They said no and run it anyway after mucking up the engines settings first

[Retromotorsport]

And after the run .. steve p held the pedal down and steve G checked at the carbs... yep W.O.T

 

 

so that scotches that one .

 

 

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[Fiesta Steve]

Very happy T&R customer here and I've never been on turbosport !!

 

Nothing but good service from them. If its shit, they'll tell ya so. If its great, they'll tell you that too.

 

I've heard a few people slag them off, and most of them happen to have less hp than they thought they had.

[Jelly]

Oh dear..

 

[Col-ashtonmobile]

Oh dear..

 

 

IS RIGHT

[Guest MK1gaz]

Gaz no one is disputing harris pinto's come to think of no one is slagging off pinto's wot winds everyone up is you inability to believe anything other than your own bullshit.

My install for instance is costing £5000+ acording to you

No it isnt its probably going to cost £2000.

I'm sure as you spend more time on osf people will begin to realise you like a wind up but also that you live in your own little backwards world and can never be wrong or taught anything.

Enjoy you stay.

Ps OSF i feel sorry for you

i've just noticed this load of old cobblers , and for the record you can't buy and fit a duratec with throttle bodies and a dry sump system and get it all working and mapped and driving up the road for £2000 .You can if you've bought all the parts for £200 or nicked them . It's the bullshit from you lot that's the problem , just because i dare question the "super dyno" and it's spot on fairytale readings

[Guest MK1gaz]

And after the run .. steve p held the pedal down and steve G checked at the carbs... yep W.O.T

 

 

so that scotches that one .

 

 

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I stood next to my car and watched the throttle , it never went anywhere near full throttle on the power run . When i told him this and told him to run it again with me holding it open by hand he started back peddling , went all aggressive and started to unstrap the car . I don't know what his problem was , it must have been the H.P.E. stickers or something

[ExotronGammaPlusSequencer]

 

I thought i'd logged into a different site for a minute Should have known it wouldnt be long before you started over here Gaz None of your rude comments about caterham/westfield drivers please

[Guest MK1gaz]

hello mr oldskoolgeezer , hope the cool 100e is still rocking . I only asked for a 150 bhp pinto escort in full street trim to post up its quarter mile time then the turbosport mob started giving it the big one as usual and you know i'll not shy away from their ganging up tactics