ELECTION 2010

[Vista]

Hmmmm, just had a look at their website and I confess to being disappointed, I can't find a single mention of tree hugging!..........................It must be in the small print somewhere!

 

It was banned for fear of discriminating against the shrubs & bushes

 

I like a little bit of bush................perhaps I should vote for the Green party if they're going to be making more of it available?

[john_3.0s]

vote for Lib dems would likely (looking at the poles right now) mean a hung parliment between labour and the libs which frankly terrifies me. sorry its the cons right now for me.

 

My sentiments exactly and no need to apologise for your political stand point. I think a Hung parliament would be disastrous for this country. Conservative for me too.

 

Not trying to be antagonistic here (i know we are politically poles apart here) but could you elaborate on why you think a hung parliament is a bad idea. I think its almost inevitable the Tories will get in this time and i'm seriously worried about how hard they are going to swing the axe. I also think Labour have failed to deliver their promises (a combination of circumstance and incompetence). I think it's about time all parties were forced to work together to secure our countries future (every one in the commons is elected, they should all work together for us). The time for Government and opposition should be over in favour of the greater good.

 

Imagine the in fighting! New Labour are so self obsessed the spin doctors would be running the show and would become much more important in the party politics than any manifesto you may have voted for.

 

Say what you like about the tory party but the contry needs a change and no matter who gets in inflation will spiral (as it does in the tail end of any recession) as a resilt of a rise in interest rates to recover the massive debt the current administration have left us with.

 

A labour chancelor will spend too much time trying to justify his position and that of any previous incumbent to be able to make any major changes to the policies as they would only highlight the fact that the existing policies are wrong.

 

Time for a change, nobody else will be perfect but something needs a shake up.

[Mk2Jo]

Part 2 of the public debate is on Sky One tonight .... will be interesting to see how they all adjust their performances based on the last debate and the subsequent changes to public opinion

[pauln]

vote for Lib dems would likely (looking at the poles right now) mean a hung parliment between labour and the libs which frankly terrifies me. sorry its the cons right now for me.

 

My sentiments exactly and no need to apologise for your political stand point. I think a Hung parliament would be disastrous for this country. Conservative for me too.

 

Not trying to be antagonistic here (i know we are politically poles apart here) but could you elaborate on why you think a hung parliament is a bad idea. I think its almost inevitable the Tories will get in this time and i'm seriously worried about how hard they are going to swing the axe. I also think Labour have failed to deliver their promises (a combination of circumstance and incompetence). I think it's about time all parties were forced to work together to secure our countries future (every one in the commons is elected, they should all work together for us). The time for Government and opposition should be over in favour of the greater good.

 

Imagine the in fighting! New Labour are so self obsessed the spin doctors would be running the show and would become much more important in the party politics than any manifesto you may have voted for.

 

Say what you like about the tory party but the contry needs a change and no matter who gets in inflation will spiral (as it does in the tail end of any recession) as a resilt of a rise in interest rates to recover the massive debt the current administration have left us with.

 

A labour chancelor will spend too much time trying to justify his position and that of any previous incumbent to be able to make any major changes to the policies as they would only highlight the fact that the existing policies are wrong.

 

Time for a change, nobody else will be perfect but something needs a shake up.

 

There are 2 sorts of change, one for the better and one for the worse. As Vista says interest rates are currently out of the governments control. As for running the countries finances I noticed from Camerons wiki he was one of Lamonts (Mr Black Wednesday, how could I have forgotten him?) advisors so i'm unconvinced. I think Labour have been crap (even though my union is a donor) but i'm worried how far the Tories will go unchecked. Putting loads of people out of work is going to further stress our welfare service. British people out of work will increase racial tension as foreign workers take the blame for job theft. I'm sure there will be strikes as public sector unions protest against job losses which the Tories will counter with anti union legislation again. I would also like to see the hidden plans that will include more privatisation (also known as flogging our our countries assets cheap to finance tax cut that benefit mainly the rich). It won't be change it will be going back to the Tories of the eighties 4 million unemployed here we come. Personally I would choose the lesser evil of stalemate from a hung parliament, you never know it might work and that would be a genuine change.

[Vista]

I'm going to pinch part of a quote from someone else on T.S. where a similar discussion is taking place, mainly because I agree with most of what he has said.

 

As for putting people out of work stressing the welfare service, if those people are largely civil servant bureaucrats who don't actually generate any wealth but are instead are a burden on state finances, then personally I'd prefer it if they were a burden on job seekers allowance than xxxxx numbers of thousands of pounds a year for excessive quantities of committees and upper and middle management. Let's start with the NHS, there's too many committees and managers of managers of shift managers and senior staff. Sack a manager, get 2 nurses in, sack 4 and get a doctor. The NHS is about providing medical services after all isn't it? Not jobs for the boys!

 

To me the problem with all the political parties is a result of society. we're too soft on everything, we don’t like to be told bad news and we like things to entertain us, we want a quick fix and fame and fortune without the effort... for any party to be successful they have to pander to the public.

 

At the moment over 50% of the working population is employed either directly or indirectly by the government. so any party that says they'll cut the public sector won’t get voted in, people are too concerned with self rather than the interest of society as a whole because its entirely ridiculous to have more people being paid by the state than the state gets in tax and hence we have a massive deficit at the moment.

 

what i don’t understand is why people see Labour in any way a good light. they came to power with 'education, education, education' as their main policy. and then proceeded to completely mess it up. pointless exams and tests, paperwork and red tape and then pushing people through university so that not only is having a degree worth less you start your professional career (if you can even find a job) already owing upwards of 12k.

 

And then the biggest crime of all, industry. in the years under labour we’ve seen a bigger reduction in industry in the UK than we did under Thatcher, more companies have closed down or outsourced and this is mainly due to our uncompetitiveness compared to other nations. A big driver in this is the running costs of a business (a stack of tax) and having to pay high wages because of the cost of living. Which leads me on to house prices... removed from the inflation figures in 2001 because they would have meant interest rates would have to go up, and instead they put them down. Allowing house prices to go up even higher, and for some reason we like this. We don’t like it when fuel goes up 1p, we don’t like that extra 2p on a pint, but 5grand on a house in a month and people are cheering, I mean WTF is that about, no one is actually making money as the next house will have also gone up, all it does mean is that an ever increasing amount of money goes to the banks and not into the wider economy, it might end up back there but not till after the banks have taken their cut... but it does mean that we need to pay higher wages so people can afford to live. Bring down the cost of living and we can once again be competitive as a nation, but no-one will vote for this because we all have this ridiculous perception that debt (a mortgage) is wealth.

[GT_lenny]

would it be possible to have a tempory "election room" for those who want to discuss their political views away from the normal folk who are fed up with hearing about the forthcoming election , i'm not suggesting its not important but its not what come into "chit chat" on a car forum for

 

Shut your cakehole and stop moaning What are you looking at this post for anyway if you don't like politics .... this is the only post about the forthcoming election and the title shows the content of the post

 

wind your neck in a simple no would have surficed, i was only asking jeeeshh

[pauln]

I take your point about getting rid of the useless to pay for the useful, but the way I understood it was that one way the Tories were going to reduce the pain (of the death of 1000 cuts of the public sector) was by by natural wastage. The NHS manager goes but won't be replaced and for sure will not be replaced by a couple of nurses because that natural wastage money is going to be saved. Anybody who goes nurse or senior manager is going to be money saved and running a service will come a distant second to that. Of your quote I think the first line makes a good point.

 

"To me the problem with all the political parties is a result of society. we're too soft on everything, we don’t like to be told bad news and we like things to entertain us, we want a quick fix and fame and fortune without the effort... for any party to be successful they have to pander to the public."

[Vista]

wind your neck in a simple no would have surficed, i was only asking jeeeshh

 

But you looked again didn't you?

[GT_lenny]

nowhere have i said i'm uninterested in the election and peoples views on it, just thought a temporary room would be a more obvious promenant place for such matters to be discussed

[GT_lenny]

It was not aimed at you mate, it was a general statement for people to consider

 

appologies

[Fiesta Steve]

I'm still trying to work out why we are voting for colours

 

I'll vote for who ever wants to give me the most bang for my buck

[accord83]

Bangs for bucks, is there a Hookers'r'us Party, that's a winner

[jimbo]

What a surprise, on a Petrol head forum, no-one has offered any support for the Green party

 

What is their manifesto anyway?

 

Ban cars, eating meat, Tax air travel till only the super rich can afford it and tree hugging to become a pensionable state funded occupation?

 

 

Hmmmm, just had a look at their website and I confess to being disappointed, I can't find a single mention of tree hugging!..........................It must be in the small print somewhere!

 

Actually looking at policies (and doing it blind) is quite an eye-opener

 

Anyone who cares enough to add to this post should try this website out.

 

http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

 

and see how you fair.......

 

You can select 4 policy sets as a minimum (takes about ten minutes) but you get a much fairier idea, if you do them all (takes about 30 minutes).

 

When a few have given it a go, I'll post up the link to my results.....

[Stu_B]

Interesting link! I need more time to read the policies better but just going through it quickly I was surprised at the results!

 

Lets just say the Tories didn't come up once but the BNP did for just one of the sections err I'll get my coat!

[SmokeEm]

UKIP FTW

[pauln]

I just want to thank a candidate in my ward for brightening my day when you left your leaflet in my letter box. I am sorry I did'nt think your party still existed. However thank you for letting me know the Con/Libs/Labour are all working together while pretending to be seperate parties. Thank you for letting me know that they are the REAL extremeists and thank you for reminding me that your party is a Moderate Centre Party that is neither Right nor Left. Lets put our hands together for...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................The National Front.

 

Mr Mike Easter I don't believe a fookin word (though you still have more chance of getting my vote than John Stanley). But thanks for the laugh.

[Vista]

Jesus, I thought the NF died a death at the end of the 80's when it metamorphosed into the BNP! But it seems not:

 

http://www.national-front.org.uk/

 

They have quite a few election candidates too!

[pauln]

Jesus, I thought the NF died a death at the end of the 80's when it metamorphosed into the BNP! But it seems not:

 

http://www.national-front.org.uk/

 

They have quite a few election candidates too!

 

Hopefully it will be quite a few lost deposits as well.

[ROMANY]

Just for the benefit of this being a petrolhead forum, maybe the Torries might reinstate free road tax status again if they get in, as it was them that brought it in in the first place. Labour stopped it rolling on.

 

Well we can hope can't we

 

On a serious note Labour have fooked the country just like they did last time they were in power, i have never voted for them before and i wont be making any exceptions this time around either.

[stevepeanut]

Just for the benefit of this being a petrolhead forum, maybe the Torries might reinstate free road tax status again if they get in, as it was them that brought it in in the first place. Labour stopped it rolling on.

 

Well we can hope can't we

 

On a serious note Labour have fooked the country just like they did last time they were in power, i have never voted for them before and i wont be making any exceptions this time around either.

 

I used to really hope that free road tax for all 25 year old vehicles would be reinstated, but now I think its a bad idea, and should be left as it is.

 

Overnight, the price of any 25yr old tax free car would shoot through the roof.

 

I picked up my nice mk5 tina for £650

 

under the 25 year rule it would be tax exempt and would probably double or triple in price

 

people would start paying silly money for any old shit heap of a car if it was tax exempt

[Guest cortinamad-gonetoo]

id like rolling tax free im voting this year for first time in 19 years

[TooAteLeed]

did anyone see the english democrats thing on bbc1 last nite, just before jonathan ross? i liked what he was sayin, its just a shame ive never fookin heard of em!

[BIGKEV]

took that survey - was surprised, Now know what to vote for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

legalise Cannabis FTW

[mk1super]

Ive voted since i was old enough and it feels like its counted for jack 5hit. because nothing ever seems to improve or change other than Taxs going up! We go from one set of false promises an out right lies to another. The poor are still trod on, oaps are still freezing to death in there own homes, our armed forces are still under funded, the Nhs isnt any better, and the roads are like the surface of the moon. I honestly dont see things improving any time soon regardless of gets into dictatorship next

[bullittcraig]

Did that vote policies thing and came up with 50% BNP

Lets face it they can`t do any worse than the others. Trouble is until each party is forced to put there policies in to action if they are elected then all there doing is telling you what you want to hear. They are just all very good salesmen.