robo0121 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Posted March 9, 2014 So.from the 1st oct this year you will never be able to buy a car thats already taxed. because the money grabbing bastards have decided that car tax is no longer transferable what ever next....???????
Admin Vista Posted March 9, 2014 Admin Report Posted March 9, 2014 On the other hand, when acting as a seller, buyers won't be able to knock you down any more because "it only has two months tax". Equally, a seller will always be able to cash the tax in as it's no longer transferable and therefore makes no odds to the sale. The bit about it that I think stinks is refunds will still only be for the complete remaining months so each time a car changes hands, HMRC will get tax revenue twice for the same car, once from each owner.
Blimey Posted March 9, 2014 Report Posted March 9, 2014 ^ agreed ,Should be weeks remaining not months Total con!
rallyesport04 Posted March 15, 2014 Report Posted March 15, 2014 its crazy you tax the car not yourself
skeeter Posted March 15, 2014 Report Posted March 15, 2014 How does a new owner legally take the car away? If I sell on Saturday I have to hand the tax back in but it is likely that the new owner wont be able to tax it. So he leaves it at house for a few days while he sorts this out but now it isn't taxed - does it have to be declared SORN?? Alternatively he drives it off untaxed...... Looks like a recipe for a clerical nightmare at DVLA to me, plus it will cost a fortune to administer. I still cant work out what problem they were trying to solve. S
Danish Posted March 16, 2014 Report Posted March 16, 2014 I suppose they were thinking once there is no actual tax disc, people could get ripped off. But it's just going to make it much harder to sell a used car, if you're not in the trade.
mk2 mike Posted March 16, 2014 Report Posted March 16, 2014 They're just saying there's no actual need to physically have a piece of paper in the window as the police can access the PNC to see if its taxed or not. Also it saves them money not having to print the licences. Same way you get your MOT now on a blank bit of A4 rather than a proper certificate.
irishtorag Posted March 16, 2014 Report Posted March 16, 2014 And Mike the biggest plus to the government and police is that change of ownership is a must immediately so the last owner is safe from points and fines from day of sale
Admin Vista Posted March 16, 2014 Admin Report Posted March 16, 2014 I'd say that the biggest plus to the government is that they'll two months revenue for one months tax every time a car changes hands.
DT36 Posted March 16, 2014 Report Posted March 16, 2014 Well I had my Missus SORN my car today as my tax runs out this month and I'm not home for a bit. Gutting, as when I do get home in May for 2 weeks, if I want to take it out then I have t put 6 months on it again... If only we could pay per mile...
Admin Vista Posted March 16, 2014 Admin Report Posted March 16, 2014 Well I had my Missus SORN my car today as my tax runs out this month and I'm not home for a bit. Gutting, as when I do get home in May for 2 weeks, if I want to take it out then I have t put 6 months on it again... If only we could pay per mile... It's always better to put 12 months on at a time. That way when you claim your refund, you get the full amount of the remaining months back and not the full amount less the 6 month admin premium they add to 6 month discs. You never get that back 1
robo0121 Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Posted April 12, 2014 whichever way you look at it.the motorist is gaining nothing.never have.never will
Admin Mk2Jo Posted April 13, 2014 Admin Report Posted April 13, 2014 Well I had my Missus SORN my car today as my tax runs out this month and I'm not home for a bit. Gutting, as when I do get home in May for 2 weeks, if I want to take it out then I have t put 6 months on it again... If only we could pay per mile... It's always better to put 12 months on at a time. That way when you claim your refund, you get the full amount of the remaining months back and not the full amount less the 6 month admin premium they add to 6 month discs. You never get that back That's ok if you can afford to pay for 1 year all in one go .... I know I can't 1
DT36 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 That's ok if you can afford to pay for 1 year all in one go .... I know I can't I am now planning on coming home for a few weeks between June and July, rather than May. Car is MOTd and insured, but no tax. I want to do a few jobs on it and take it out a few times, but this road tax sorning and un-sorning is a right pain in the backside. I will basically have to pay a years tax and then take it back off for a refund again. What rubs salt in the wounds for me is that my 2.7L Toyota Hilux here has no road tax and costs me about 13 pounds to fill the tank from empty... 1
Fiesta Steve Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 I buy a years for my bikes to save money, when I park the bikes up for the winter I can't be arsed to send them off etc.. So end up wasting money lol !
iandq Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 just put the road tax on fuel, then the more you drive the more you pay , the less you drive the less you pay, no one can evade it and it's almost free to collect it. plus for people who only occasionally use cars there isn't this headache of sorning- taxing sorning etc. 2
Admin Vista Posted April 14, 2014 Admin Report Posted April 14, 2014 just put the road tax on fuel, then the more you drive the more you pay , the less you drive the less you pay, no one can evade it and it's almost free to collect it. plus for people who only occasionally use cars there isn't this headache of sorning- taxing sorning etc. If they did that then overnight it would become a stealth tax as no-one would have a clue how much they were paying towards VED, I also reckon that other than perhaps the grandma who drives 1/2 a mile to the corner shop once per week, no-one would be better off under it than they currently are.
katana Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 50 miles per gallon = 11 miles per litre so average of 10,000 miles per year would use 909 litres. Current road tax for that sort of efficiency is £125 so 125 / 909 = 13.5p on a litre. Now if through efficiency savings through not having the bureaucracy for collection / monitoring + everyone has to pay if they are buying fuel the addition could come down to, say, 10p / litre. Classics - RS2000 @ 20mpg = 4.40 miles / litre......so for an average 2,500 miles uses 568 litres @ 10p / litre = £56.80! Rep Car - Bimmer 3 series? @ 35mpg = 7.71 miles / litre .......so for average 25,000 miles uses 3242.5 litres @ 10p / litre = £324.25 Obviously these are rough figures but the more you drive.....and damage the road..........the more you pay! Is it really so bad - i'd happily pay £56 as against £220 when BMW man is paying £200? after driving 10x as far? 1
mexicansteve Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 I'm sure I read somewhere that by November, I think, you'll be able to pay monthly direct debit, so you can stop it as and when you need. 1
irishtorag Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 pay for drive would be good threw fuel some lads in ROI pay 1300 a years tax for bmw etc average 1.6ltr is 450 1.8/20ltr is around 800 classics 56euro only plus is you can tax and sorn for 3months or 6months or year 1
Ken B Posted April 22, 2014 Report Posted April 22, 2014 50 miles per gallon = 11 miles per litre so average of 10,000 miles per year would use 909 litres. Current road tax for that sort of efficiency is £125 so 125 / 909 = 13.5p on a litre. Now if through efficiency savings through not having the bureaucracy for collection / monitoring + everyone has to pay if they are buying fuel the addition could come down to, say, 10p / litre. Classics - RS2000 @ 20mpg = 4.40 miles / litre......so for an average 2,500 miles uses 568 litres @ 10p / litre = £56.80! Rep Car - Bimmer 3 series? @ 35mpg = 7.71 miles / litre .......so for average 25,000 miles uses 3242.5 litres @ 10p / litre = £324.25 Obviously these are rough figures but the more you drive.....and damage the road..........the more you pay! Is it really so bad - i'd happily pay £56 as against £220 when BMW man is paying £200? after driving 10x as far? Car licence has no bearing on the roads whatsoever and hasn't done since about 1930 something or other. Its a licence to use a car on the road nothing else. As for sticking it on fuel, those of us who live in rural areas where there are few buses or rail routes would really suffer. As we also generally have lower wages to start with, sticking extra tax on fuel would be as already mentioned a stealth tax. As far as I'm concerned those who do the most mileage are already paying extra tax through the fuel they burn. What really needs sorting, is the stupid amount of tax catagories we've now got introduced by successive chancellors over the years. A case in point I bought a 2006 TDCi 2.5 Ranger yearly Tax £120 per year. That turned out to be right shitter and the garage had it back. I then bought an identical model but made 6 months later, but that is £220 per year, all because it was registered after a budget where the way it catagorised was altered. Anyway both my classics get free tax so thats good enough for me, but even if they didn't I'd still have them.
skeeter Posted April 22, 2014 Report Posted April 22, 2014 50 miles per gallon = 11 miles per litre so average of 10,000 miles per year would use 909 litres. Current road tax for that sort of efficiency is £125 so 125 / 909 = 13.5p on a litre. Now if through efficiency savings through not having the bureaucracy for collection / monitoring + everyone has to pay if they are buying fuel the addition could come down to, say, 10p / litre. Classics - RS2000 @ 20mpg = 4.40 miles / litre......so for an average 2,500 miles uses 568 litres @ 10p / litre = £56.80! Rep Car - Bimmer 3 series? @ 35mpg = 7.71 miles / litre .......so for average 25,000 miles uses 3242.5 litres @ 10p / litre = £324.25 Obviously these are rough figures but the more you drive.....and damage the road..........the more you pay! Is it really so bad - i'd happily pay £56 as against £220 when BMW man is paying £200? after driving 10x as far? Hey - some of us on here are "bmw man" in addition to being osf Putting the duty on fuel penalises people like me who live in the middle of nowhere and have no viable alternative for getting places like work. Your suggestion also makes no differentiation between a heavy car and a light car where damage potential is different and I suspect would open a veritable Pandora's box.... S
katana Posted April 22, 2014 Report Posted April 22, 2014 Hey - some of us on here are "bmw man" in addition to being osf Putting the duty on fuel penalises people like me who live in the middle of nowhere and have no viable alternative for getting places like work. Your suggestion also makes no differentiation between a heavy car and a light car where damage potential is different and I suspect would open a veritable Pandora's box.... S I can't imagine a Robin Reliant that weighs about 400kg is going to do more damage / use more fuel compared to a 2000kg Bentley is it? Ah the rural brigade - no buses = have to use car!.........there's no buses cos no bastard wants to use them! I can see all the young farmers on a Friday nite, out on the lash leaving the tractor parked and jumping on the bus! Don't see the argument that its a stealth tax if its 10p a litre then if your fill up uses 100 litres if cost £10 - where is the stealth? Unlike fuel duty of which no one knows how much it is or what they've just forked out in duty AND vat! - THATS STEALTH TAX! 1
skeeter Posted April 22, 2014 Report Posted April 22, 2014 Until your last post I thought you made a reasonable point which I happen to disagree with. However your last post simply shows you as a bit of an idiot. S
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