Who has the fastest car here?

[Guest MK1gaz]

car craft american mag do this thing once a year best built /most street able /0.60 quarter mile and track test (around some cones ) i would through in some top speed runs that is always the best mag of the year for me and would be even better with old fords plus this would give a very good over all view of what works and what dont and where it works best

Yes street machine mag did this back in the 1990's (i have a copy) with lots of modded anglias . The huge bhp Yankie V8's with 2 foot wide rear tyres won the 1/4 miles but were slower than the standard 1200 saloon around the cones !!!!!!!!

[Toby]

Retro; I was lead to believe that a turbo car needed about 100hp more than an N/A engine to be comparible. Say 200 bhp N/A against a 300 hp Turbo. Maybe the gap is less these days though with modern turbos and less lag etc. Is this fair comment?

 

Also Gaz you saying the race is the second 1/8 and your car is a road car?

 

I am doing over 80 mph in the 1/8th. I know we shouldn't be racing on the road anyway but IMHO races are won and lost over pretty short distances on most roads / traffic light starts. (I do know not to race 500 hp cars on the motorway though cos they make me look silly)

[kevmk2]

Most people i know go quicker at Avon Park compared to the Pod , perhaps they got lucky with the weather conditions or Avon Parks end section only looks downhill !!!!!!!

 

Avon park was terrible for off the line grip,i was doing high 1.7 60ft's and 1.8's,compared to pod with low 1.6's. The track had lots of pot holes in it and my car was wobbling side to side and swaying at over 120mph,it was quite a hair raising experiance

I was just holding on to the steering wheel as tight as i could doing over 120mph+ thinking shiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttt

[Toby]

I don't know, there's Gaz saying he can't touch the throttle and you shitting yourself at 120, I recon you need to get those engines out an put a little pre-cross in there, fast and managable!

[kevmk2]

We could do that but then we would be going backwards

And plus we would be making all that racket on the start line without our exhausts on the cars

And maybe have to take half the car to bits to go quicker

Wiring looms out and roll cages,seats (sit on a cardboard box its lighter)

windows out,doors off,bonnets,boot lids off,starter motors and alternators off too

[Retromotorsport]

Yes ALL cars will go faster with slicks but on a high power street car with STREET tyres you can't floor the throttle in 1st gear no matter how sticky the track is . So startline grip doesn't really make much difference to us so the race is won after the 1/8 mile when the best engine with the best "useable" power band will win . As for the circuits , at the retroford trackdays (with normal road cars on it) the N.A. ones kill the turbo cars every time despite having half the power or even less !!!!!!!!

 

so we have gone from saying a slick shod car will loose out in the 1/8th to forgetting slicks at all ...

 

and no .. the engine "with the most "useable" power band" wont win... the car with the best package all round will win.. or should i say teh car with the most " +'s " in a sentance will win

A good engine in a porr car may lose to a medium engine in a good car ..

 

And as for the track .. i almost sort of belive what your saying about teh RetroFord Trackday ... except the faster N/A cars are lighter than a street turbo car ... but i still didnt really see any "real laps" ...hence why i said we need a RWYB Trackday with a session with lap times .. because just looking at a portion of track dosnt show the whole lap ... coming out of Clearways the turbo cars were eating the N/A cars ... with the exception of Adrians car which has a much higher Clearways speed onto the straigh.. so in effect he has a quicker 60ft time but then his car isnt allowed as it stripped out , extra light and runs slicks and has a driver that has done more laps of Brands than probably anyone else out there except Darren Dowling who was keeping up with some cars allthough he was limited to 4,000 to 4,500rpm.

 

Like i keep saying ... Drag times just show one part of a " Road Car " .. the acceleration .... But then Road cars have to turn and brake too.. so a complete picture of how good a car is has to be on a Road Course .. with corners, braking zones ..acceleration and .... bumps

 

You said earlier that i should watch the cars at the Pod.. i will if you sit next to me and wake me up every 5 mins.. i'm sorry.. but as motorsport goes .. it just sends me to sleep... bit like the Hypnotists watch swinging in front of me ..

 

Car goes up track .

eyes back to the start.

Car goes up track .

eyes back to the start.

Car goes up track .

eyes back to the start.

Car goes up track .

eyes back to the start.

Car goes up track .

eyes back to the start.

Car goes up track .

eyes back to the start.

 

At the circuit in clubbman racing ..every lap is different with different cars doing battle .... but then thats just my opinion ..

 

But then you love the circuits really ... I mean there was what 10 rounds of the OSFDC and you went to watch 5 say ..thats 50% ..

There was one RetroFord Trackday and you went .. thats 100%

[Guest MK1gaz]

I'm talking about STREET cars on STREET tyres though (so normal oldskoolfords that drive on roads and can pass an M.O.T. ) not lightweight , dragged everywhere on a trailer circuit lapping queens . A ROAD car on STREET tyres that accelerates fast , handles and goes on roads is what i'm talking about . Circuit racing is shite anyway , you can't beat proper roads for driving on + dragging some circuit car around on a trailer just too drive around in circles for 20 mins isn't what i call fun !!!!!!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

Avon park was terrible for off the line grip,i was doing high 1.7 60ft's and 1.8's,compared to pod with low 1.6's. The track had lots of pot holes in it and my car was wobbling side to side and swaying at over 120mph,it was quite a hair raising experiance

I was just holding on to the steering wheel as tight as i could doing over 120mph+ thinking shiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttt

If you had street rubber and say 200 bhp you wouldn't mind what startline your on because there's always no grip . We can do 2.0 sec 60 foots on normal cheap 175's just by controlling yourself on the throttle and once over about 50 mph floor it , then the fastest last part of the strip makes a difference to us (avon park = downhill , santa pod = uphill) . A very different story when you've got slicks , turbo and 450+ bhp though as you need the sticky tarmac , where as we don't

[Toby]

We could do that but then we would be going backwards

And plus we would be making all that racket on the start line without our exhausts on the cars

And maybe have to take half the car to bits to go quicker

Wiring looms out and roll cages,seats (sit on a cardboard box its lighter)

windows out,doors off,bonnets,boot lids off,starter motors and alternators off too

 

Going backwards!! How could you!!

 

Fair enough I take my exhaust off at Pod, but some of that is out of interest ! (and so the turbo boys next to you can't hear themselves think)

 

But I didn't at Brighton and went 13.1 with pretty much all the car there including my heater and carpet!! (ok Gaz I may have had slicks on - but they just slowed me down in the second 1/8th )

[Retromotorsport]

I give up ... all i can say now is ... show us Gaz .. drag and circuit ..

[Posse]

I give up ... all i can say now is ... show us Gaz .. drag and circuit ..

 

 

[Toby]

I give up ... all i can say now is ... show us Gaz .. drag and circuit ..

 

Or see who can type the fastest

[MK2Ed]

Retro; I was lead to believe that a turbo car needed about 100hp more than an N/A engine to be comparible. Say 200 bhp N/A against a 300 hp Turbo. Maybe the gap is less these days though with modern turbos and less lag etc. Is this fair comment?

 

Blimey, can't answer your question but interesting supposition - wasn't aware of that...

[Wessie]

I give up ... all i can say now is ... show us Gaz .. drag and circuit ..

 

 

[Guest MK1gaz]

I give up ... all i can say now is ... show us Gaz .. drag and circuit ..

 

 

Shame you haven't even got a car then Mr Retro isn't it ? I'll show all the non-believers how it's done alright so get ready for the boasting !!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

Retro; I was lead to believe that a turbo car needed about 100hp more than an N/A engine to be comparible. Say 200 bhp N/A against a 300 hp Turbo. Maybe the gap is less these days though with modern turbos and less lag etc. Is this fair comment?

 

Blimey, can't answer your question but interesting supposition - wasn't aware of that...

I can , you'll need more than 400bhp to keep up with a full monty atmo screamer on a track if your lucky

[Joe-ashtonmobile]

when u say show them does that mean run quicker than a 14

[Guest MK1gaz]

when u say show them does that mean run quicker than a 14

Well the record at the pod for a 1/4 mile from a FULLY STREET LEGAL at the time N.A. 4 cylinder oldskoolford without gas is 13.0 secs . Not much can go under 13.5 secs so if i can do 13.5 secs or faster without lightening or stripping off any bits to save weight then i'm on the money and doing it in style for the comfy street car posse

[w p e]

i realy hope you can gaz or to you. we can compair soon as mine wont be to long now

[mk1super]

You'll need more than 400bhp to keep up with a full monty atmo screamer on a track if your lucky

 

So That Wrc escort thats in Performace jellymouldford all the time steve scots is it? How come he does so well? How much power is his car punting out? As he won a few races with that thing didnt he agains N/a cars, im just curious as to how much power that thing has not having a go .

[Guest MK1gaz]

i realy hope you can gaz or to you. we can compair soon as mine wont be to long now

No sweat Wayne , i can do a 13.5 sec or faster with my eyes shut

[Dom]

Think it's got about 500bhp, or one of his beastie's has, plus he's a good driver. I remember coming off a roundabout in the fast lane up level with another car, see him in my rear view and thought 'here we go'.

 

I'm telling you there wasn't a gap, didn't stop him going through it though

[Mk 1 Mark]

@ the brands hatch retro day i was`nt really pushing hard and had just over 200 bhp and pulled alongside a black 3dr cossy and overtook him as he was holding me up...

Now it was the first time i had took my car on the track,

And was`nt really pushing hard,And the driver said in the pits he had 380 bhp. . .

And to pick up on what Gary and toby was saying about turbo`d cars

I had a few and my last one was 400bhp,So know how they drive and how the power is delivered.So i will start off......

Get anyone with a 380 bhp turbo`d YB car

And i know of a mk1 escort that is N/A and will beat it...no matter who is driving!!! on what ever track they like

So i will say fastest road/trackday MK1 escort N/A is Mad Micks with him driving..

And he`s up for any challange.........

So let the games begin

[w p e]

fuel to the fire mark

[Mk 1 Mark]

fuel to the fire mark

 

Well id even have a go in me old cortina...Just to get the big boys out to play