Who has the fastest car here?

[Posse]

Best you run at avon park then gaz to see if you can get your old girl in the 14's

[mk1super]

19 pages and still no further forward.

 

Easy way to test it

 

Track, strip, road, dyno

 

Worked for performance bikes

 

and get the stig in to drive the cars

[Retromotorsport]

Funny how SBD's duratec westfield was slower than it's SBD vauxhall XE brother at the brighton speed trials with all that extra power then . Also funny how pinto escorts are faster around brands hatch than yb turbo ones are with much less power and torque everywhere as well . Weird how it works out isn't it ? The proof of the pudding is in the eating as the saying goes , foooooooooooking true as well

 

Mk1 escort Yb .. Ray Barrow ... 53 seconds round brands

Mk2 Escort Pinto . Alex Ribbens ... 56.8 seconds " "

Mk2 Escort Pinto 2.2 Nigel Craig .. 55.2 seconds " "

 

 

And at the Avon Kit Car drag race .. the duratec one that too ...

 

But lets not turn this into a Duratec v Pinto thread .. i was corecting your assumptions

[Toby]

Dog shit. my best was at the pod

 

What he said - without the dog shit

[Guest MK1gaz]

Retro Your missing the point , just because an engine has more "peak" bhp on a rolling road doesn't mean shit in the real world . Hence the N.A. pintos etc with much less power are as fast around brands hatch as the 350+ bhp turbos and are sitting on the arse of a top notch dogs bollox duratec up the 1/4 mile . Watch at the next retroford trackday or at santa pod this summer and see for yourself

[Fiesta Steve]

Dog shit. my best was at the pod

 

What he said - without the dog shit

 

As above, with or without

[Joe-ashtonmobile]

i reckon gaz i should see u at the lights then we will now how well your car goes

[Toby]

i reckon gaz i should see u at the lights then we will now how well your car goes

 

We've seen it on the dyno, the Pod has to be next

[Joe-ashtonmobile]

i reckon gaz i should see u at the lights then we will now how well your car goes

 

We've seen it on the dyno, the Pod has to be next

[Guest MK1gaz]

Best you run at avon park then gaz to see if you can get your old girl in the 14's

Avon Park is faster than the Pod , you just need some more practise . The problem with slicks is it's just "floor it and hope" and then pray the grip off the line holds up in order to run a quick time . If doing it on proper street tyres you can only run a quick time if your engines grunty and it can pick up from a lowish rpm off the startline and then fire the car down to the finish . Cars that are relying on inital grip (ones with slicks) will go faster on the best startline surface (the pod) . Cars with street rubber don't mind what surface they race off because we've got no grip off the line anywhere , we will go faster on a strip with a dip at the end (Avon park)

[Guest MK1gaz]

i reckon gaz i should see u at the lights then we will now how well your car goes

i'm up for any street race . I can go as fast on the street as i can on a drag strip cos my cars still the same at both venues The fastest U.k. N.A. 4 pots that have run at he Pod in a full STREET LEGAL set up without cheating with nitrous haven't gone quicker than 13.0 secs . Only a few can go quicker than 13.5 secs (unless thye're all keeping quiet and not posting up)

[Toby]

Best you run at avon park then gaz to see if you can get your old girl in the 14's

Avon Park is faster than the Pod , you just need some more practise . The problem with slicks is it's just "floor it and hope" and then pray the grip off the line holds up in order to run a quick time . If doing it on proper street tyres you can only run a quick time if your engines grunty and it can pick up from a lowish rpm off the startline and then fire the car down to the finish . Cars that are relying on inital grip (ones with slicks) will go faster on the best startline surface (the pod) . Cars with street rubber don't mind what surface they race off because we've got no grip off the line anywhere , we will go faster on a strip with a dip at the end (Avon park)

 

Struggling with your logic mate, you have one (two actually) points of contact with the road / strip therefore all cars have to go faster with more grip - don't they?

[Toby]

i reckon gaz i should see u at the lights then we will now how well your car goes

i'm up for any street race . I can go as fast on the street as i can on a drag strip cos my cars still the same at both venues

 

Shall we?

[MexDan]

Classic Pub Convo....

 

So are we setting the measure as fastest up the drag strip???

 

Because i can guarantee those that are fastest up the strip will not be the fastest round the track, and those who are fastest round a track will not be on a rally stage, and those who are on a rally stage will not be fastest up a drag strip...

 

It all depends how you define fast

[Joe-ashtonmobile]

i reckon gaz i should see u at the lights then we will now how well your car goes

i'm up for any street race . I can go as fast on the street as i can on a drag strip cos my cars still the same at both venues

 

Shall we?

shall we what

[Toby]

i reckon gaz i should see u at the lights then we will now how well your car goes

i'm up for any street race . I can go as fast on the street as i can on a drag strip cos my cars still the same at both venues

 

Shall we?

shall we what

 

Your not Gaz, let him play dumb by himself

[Joe-ashtonmobile]

i reckon gaz i should see u at the lights then we will now how well your car goes

i'm up for any street race . I can go as fast on the street as i can on a drag strip cos my cars still the same at both venues

 

Shall we?

shall we what

 

Your not Gaz, let him play dumb by himself

[Toby]

 

It all depends how you define fast

 

Speed at distance?

 

Distance to speed?

 

Time to distance?

 

Time to speed?

 

And then you have the corners and the bumps!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

Struggling with your logic mate, you have one (two actually) points of contact with the road / strip therefore all cars have to go faster with more grip - don't they?

Well picture this , a 200bhp car without slicks can't use it's full power until it's at least over 50 mph so your hardly get any advantage from a slightly better startline (pod v avon park) as only launching at lowish rpm . Therfore you can make up more time after the 1/8 mile at Avon Park compared to the Pod because it's downhill .

[Guest MK1gaz]

Classic Pub Convo....

 

So are we setting the measure as fastest up the drag strip???

Yes because there's a big clock at the end so it's cheap and easy to do . No clocks on circuits and your not allowed to make any noise or race on them . The best we've got to go on is the Retroford mag test track results

[Toby]

Struggling with your logic mate, you have one (two actually) points of contact with the road / strip therefore all cars have to go faster with more grip - don't they?

Well picture this , a 200bhp car without slicks can't use it's full power until it's at least over 50 mph so your hardly get any advantage from a slightly better startline (pod v avon park) as only launching at lowish rpm . Therfore you can make up more time after the 1/8 mile at Avon Park compared to the Pod because it's downhill .

 

Sort of see what youre saying but all the time you have grip you'll be going forwards so more grip = faster.

 

Too much wheel spin from a heavy foot is bad driving, or bad power delivery - to quote wooooooooooooooooosh! Tis

[Guest MK1gaz]

True but on proper street tyres your nowhere near full throttle in 1st gear on any surface . If i use anymore than about 3000 revs off the Pod startline my car just stays put , even though when you walk on it it pulls your shoes off it's so sticky . I reckon i can go faster at Avon park than i can at the Pod for sure

[brettp]

car craft american mag do this thing once a year best built /most street able /0.60 quarter mile and track test (around some cones ) i would through in some top speed runs that is always the best mag of the year for me and would be even better with old fords plus this would give a very good over all view of what works and what dont and where it works best

[Retromotorsport]

Sorry Gaz... but I always have been lead to belive the race is lost and won in the first 60foot

 

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0mph.30mph.60mph.70mph.80mph.90mph.100mph.105mph.110mph.115mph.120mph.125mph and the 1/4

 

0mph.15mph.25mph.35mph.50mph.70mph.80mph.90mph..100mph..105mph.110mph.115mph.120mph.125mph. and the 1/4

 

Drag racing is all about power and grip... the more power to weight and grip the quicker you will go .

 

The less power to weight and teh same grip the slower you will go

 

the same power as the top car but with less grip.. the slower you will go

 

its all about startline grip .. Kev has got huge torque which catapults the car mid track ... and yet his quickest times are with slicks ..

 

And going back to the Track ... i've never seen an experienced N/A driver beat an experienced Turbo driver around a race track

[Guest MK1gaz]

Yes ALL cars will go faster with slicks but on a high power street car with STREET tyres you can't floor the throttle in 1st gear no matter how sticky the track is . So startline grip doesn't really make much difference to us so the race is won after the 1/8 mile when the best engine with the best "useable" power band will win . As for the circuits , at the retroford trackdays (with normal road cars on it) the N.A. ones kill the turbo cars every time despite having half the power or even less !!!!!!!!