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I have been looking at prices for getting a new all steel N/A cossie engine built. The prices so far are all well in excess of 5K.

 

Now that 5K + gets me 220 ish HP with what, 170lbft torque? with the n/a cossie engine.

5K is a LOT of money in most peoples book and i cant help think that for the same money i could get alot of power out of a turbo YB yes??

 

Or, i can get a V8 built for around 3.5K that will have 330+BHP and a wall of torque! Now tell me that isnt value for money!

Now i LOVE the N/A cossie. they sound the best, look the best and suit an escort the best, but fook me, if your a porper like me the V8 option looks very tempting!

 

I have been drinking Ouzo tonight so i will probably wake up tomorrow with a hangover and regret this post immensley and hit myself for even thinking of putting a V8 in my escort.

But it does kind of make sense!!! :oops::beer:

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Vista Old Skool Keyboard Molester

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In the intrests of a balanced argument, why go V8 at all when they're enormously big, bulky and heavy, especially the yank ones. They need lots of mods to the escort engine bay to get them to fit and once they're in they'll upset all the weight balance and Centre of gravity..

 

Nah. leave the V8's to the cars that have room for them, capris cortinas etc and stick with a good spec 4 pot in either N/A or turbo guise.

Gonzo Old Skool to the bone

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Or leave pistons out altogether...

 

http://www.hurleyrotary.com/

 

600bhp 4-rotor, still using side ports! Get some peripheral-ported housings, pair of downdraught 50's and you're looking at something over 700 I reckon...

 

How is that not good value?!

 

Or if you're not quite that insane, you could go for a 'measly' 400-ish with a 3-rotor. :mrgreen:

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In the intrests of a balanced argument, why go V8 at all when they're enormously big, bulky and heavy, especially the yank ones. They need lots of mods to the escort engine bay to get them to fit and once they're in they'll upset all the weight balance and Centre of gravity..

 

Nah. leave the V8's to the cars that have room for them, capris cortinas etc and stick with a good spec 4 pot in either N/A or turbo guise.

 

Very good point but there is one V8 solution wich helps with the weight issuse and thats a Rover V8 its not much heveyer than a pinto as its all allyo block and heads o and there cheep 8)

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In the intrests of a balanced argument, why go V8 at all when they're enormously big, bulky and heavy, especially the yank ones. They need lots of mods to the escort engine bay to get them to fit and once they're in they'll upset all the weight balance and Centre of gravity..

 

Nah. leave the V8's to the cars that have room for them, capris cortinas etc and stick with a good spec 4 pot in either N/A or turbo guise.

 

Very good point but there is one V8 solution wich helps with the weight issuse and thats a Rover V8 its not much heveyer than a pinto as its all allyo block and heads o and there cheep 8)

 

Yes they're cheap to buy but they're still much bigger (albeit not much heavier) so need extensive mods to the shell to fit. Then there's the cost of uprating them to get good power out of them as they're only about 150bhp as standard aren't they? They will all be tired old nags now so you have to budget for rebore of 8 cylinders instead of 4, 8 pistons, etc etc etc. They're certainly a good answer for Capris etc but I don't see them as a great solution for a little car like the escort.

 

If V8Ian picks up on this thread perhaps he could enlighten us as to the cost of uprating a Rover V8, that's what he runs isn't it?

sambo Old Skool Spammer

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Hi all, i now have a headache and feel a little queezy.. :(

Bloody ouzo. What was i thinking!

Anyway, yeah, all this came about because a friend of mine has recently bought the old Minton team thunder saloon mk2 race car. It originally ran an F2 Hart engine but obviously that is long gone. Now he has been chatting to Peter Thurston (DJ Invicta, black HUGE wide beast Mk1 escort) and he runs a rover V8 in his.

Now that mk1 of Peters has just got to be fast hasnt it? I have never seen it race, but i think it is safe to assume that it is a bloody quick car!!

So, anyway my mate is thinking of Rover V8 ing his mk2 as it seems to be the best power plant for the money. Peter said 330-380 bhp is easy and very cheap too.

 

I know the V8 wont 'suit' my mk1 but fooking hell 380 bhp for 3-3.5K !!! that is good value! As someone said, they arent much heavier than a pinto anyway! Also, the parts are cheap and they are reliable arent they?

 

 

But then again, Man do i love a screaming N/A cossie, but fook me the cost is killing me!! :thumbsup:

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In the intrests of a balanced argument, why go V8 at all when they're enormously big, bulky and heavy, especially the yank ones. They need lots of mods to the escort engine bay to get them to fit and once they're in they'll upset all the weight balance and Centre of gravity..

 

Nah. leave the V8's to the cars that have room for them, capris cortinas etc and stick with a good spec 4 pot in either N/A or turbo guise.

 

Very good point but there is one V8 solution wich helps with the weight issuse and thats a Rover V8 its not much heveyer than a pinto as its all allyo block and heads o and there cheep 8)

 

Yes they're cheap to buy but they're still much bigger (albeit not much heavier) so need extensive mods to the shell to fit. Then there's the cost of uprating them to get good power out of them as they're only about 150bhp as standard aren't they? They will all be tired old nags now so you have to budget for rebore of 8 cylinders instead of 4, 8 pistons, etc etc etc. They're certainly a good answer for Capris etc but I don't see them as a great solution for a little car like the escort.

 

If V8Ian picks up on this thread perhaps he could enlighten us as to the cost of uprating a Rover V8, that's what he runs isn't it?

 

compleatly agree an 8 in an escort is never going to be the cheepest easyest solution but it is a possibal solution is all

bomber1 Old Skool Keyboard Molester

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if u want the bst sounding motor ever get a V8 in to yer car. it has been done b4 and wont be the last. my only concern for you sambo is u have already had ur car painted so u will have to be realy carefull swinging a V8 into the bay with all the mods to go with :thumbsup:

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if you go the v8 route give neil at nts a call fella,he is very good with these engines in escorts.pm me if you want his number m8 :thumbsup: .

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A fella close to me had a rover v8 in his escort-and I know what people are saying about sticking with a 4pot and in a way I completely agree but man it was so King awseome, Id like to do it to be honest but Ive got my engine and nothings guna stop me putting it in n/a yb cant wait...

 

one thing tho is that your car has to suit a V8 with the right paint, body etc so if it looks like an rs or a mex replica forget it - but if it just looks straight mean then u can be different and turn it in to a beast - Id like to see and hear more to be honest :mrgreen::thumbsup:

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