Adding other 80's Fords to Old Skool Ford, please vote

[AERO_ADY]

I joined this forum for what it is now and not for what it maybe. We are old skool and not retro !!! I notice new members joining all the time and this won't change because peeps join this site for what it caters for now "Old Skool Fords" If I ever bought a Fiesta Mk2, Esc Mk3 or similar I'd join the relevant forum

[Tall paul]

I love the site as is but like its already been said we need to move with the times so think mk2 fez mk3 escorts/orions might work, with there own room as said.

 

Maybe at shows there could be an area put aside on stands at shows for these newer osf's?

[walsh253]

This is a hard one to call,its like any business if you need to bring more money in, you need to change things,but if you let plastic stuff in and banter starts and things are taken the wrong way by new members you are going to make things worse than they already are as word will spread that the old farts on here are a bunch of grumpy #######

[mjonathan24]

First of all I am a mk2 Fiesta owner.

 

I think that the forum should allow newer fords, but have them in a section i.e.80's Fords. I don't think this would change the identity of the club but just add further like minded people to the forum.

In terms of at the shows, it would just make the stand bigger and you could group the cars by age/ model in different areas. To be honest I think most people would just carry on showing with other groups.

 

It would also make the osf drag challenge a bit more exciting if we could take part.

With new people comes new ideas and progress, new topics for discussion etc.

 

Either way I will continue visiting the forum.

[duttnut]

if you let plastic stuff in and banter starts and things are taken the wrong way by new members you are going to make things worse than they already are as word will spread that the old farts on here are a bunch of grumpy #######

 

This is a good point, conflict may create two factions, the light side and the dark side so to speak!!

I already get people saying my car isn't old skool, or that my engine is crap! ( that makes me on the light side by the way )

I know debate is a good thing but there are likely to be some people getting very upset.

[BLU]

Question, what year was the site founded?

 

I'm a recent member to OSF only to find out that my car wasn't Old Skool!!

 

Take this as an impartial view, not a dig.... People owning OSF's are only going to drop over the next few years, with the amount being broken/scrapped/written off etc and this may have a detrimental impact on membership/site visits etc

My first impressions (from my experience) coming on here are that some people are set in their ways and don't like change.

 

The way I see it is there is no definitive answer to what is Old Skool as everyone has their own interpretation. It needs either an exact year cut off point (like as it is now 1980) but then that means some MK1 Fiestas and MK2 Escorts won't count as Old Skool when others will. I think a description of the car and the way it was built count more for their "Old Skool-ness" than their age.

 

Something like......

 

Did some of the models come fitted with metal bumpers showing their bodywork underneath?

Does the body have external gutters?

Did some of the models come fitted with a carburettor when new?

Did some of the models only come with manual windows when new?

Are the windows gasket glazed?

 

If ALL of the answers to the above are yes then its (imho) Old Skool.

 

Just a thought

[morcheen]

let them all in.evolve or die.all part of the ford family and obviously some will have more followers than others.mk2 rs2000 the start of the 'plastics' ?? of course you might not like some models but why not have them all after a certain age.more traffic on here keeps the place going.you aint being forced to own one

[AdeV]

Hmm, how tricky is this? By many standards, the old Sierra/Sapphire are "old skool" - rear (or 4w) drive, bonkers Cossie versions, etc., but a Mk3+ Escort? Hardly "old" skool, every other car in the world is just like an old FWD Escort, except a bit bigger, less rusty and more reliable...

 

IMHO as long as you continue to allow Mk2 grannies, that'll do for me I would join a Granny club, but they all seem to be different factions who hate all the other clubs.... not sure I can be arsed with all that...

[alec hafele]

difficult as I'm not a plastic bumperfan but 1980s Cozzies were fun and I've noticed ealry XR3i etc a getting thinner on the grand so al in al I say yest to letting the '80s in

[Vista]

Question, what year was the site founded?

 

I'm a recent member to OSF only to find out that my car wasn't Old Skool!!

 

Take this as an impartial view, not a dig.... People owning OSF's are only going to drop over the next few years, with the amount being broken/scrapped/written off etc and this may have a detrimental impact on membership/site visits etc

My first impressions (from my experience) coming on here are that some people are set in their ways and don't like change.

 

The way I see it is there is no definitive answer to what is Old Skool as everyone has their own interpretation. It needs either an exact year cut off point (like as it is now 1980) but then that means some MK1 Fiestas and MK2 Escorts won't count as Old Skool when others will. I think a description of the car and the way it was built count more for their "Old Skool-ness" than their age.

 

Something like......

 

Did some of the models come fitted with metal bumpers showing their bodywork underneath?

Does the body have external gutters?

Did some of the models come fitted with a carburettor when new?

Did some of the models only come with manual windows when new?

Are the windows gasket glazed?

 

If ALL of the answers to the above are yes then its (imho) Old Skool.

 

Just a thought

 

It was founded in early 2004 and was set up to cater for a specific set of cars. This was never made a secret of but doesn't really become apparent until after people have joined. This is perhaps something we should address if the change does not go ahead.

 

The Cut off date isn't (and wasn't) 1980 flat but in production by 1980, hence the anomaly where a 1986 mk3 Capri is in but a 1983 Mk3 Escort isn't.

 

To go the way you're suggesting would make it enormously complex and would inevitably result in lots of questions about "Why is car X in but car Y out?"

[BLU]

It was founded in early 2004 and was set up to cater for a specific set of cars. This was never made a secret of but doesn't really become apparent until after people have joined. This is perhaps something we should address if the change does not go ahead.

 

The Cut off date isn't (and wasn't) 1980 flat but in production by 1980, hence the anomaly where a 1986 mk3 Capri is in but a 1983 Mk3 Escort isn't.

 

To go the way you're suggesting would make it enormously complex and would inevitably result in lots of questions about "Why is car X in but car Y out?"

 

It was just a suggestion, but actually not that complex in the great scheme of things. I think you will always have the why is X car in and Y out question regardless what you do.... damned if you do damned of you don't

 

I personally can't see the difference between a MK1 Fiesta and a MK3 Escort.... both FWD, both came fitted with an ohv engine, both had metal bumpers with plasic end caps etc etc.... MK2 Fiesta is almost identical to a MK1 bar a few cosmetic changes.....

 

Maybe you could make it clear what cars you cater for on the registration form regardless which way this poll goes?

[BIG G]

This site is now very quiet compared to a few years ago and if you shun newer cars than times will move on but the site wont and after all a petrol head is a petrol head. fwd is already in the mix with Mk1 fiestas so let them all in but make forum rooms for each type simples

[turnover]

Question, what year was the site founded?

 

I'm a recent member to OSF only to find out that my car wasn't Old Skool!!

 

Take this as an impartial view, not a dig.... People owning OSF's are only going to drop over the next few years, with the amount being broken/scrapped/written off etc and this may have a detrimental impact on membership/site visits etc

My first impressions (from my experience) coming on here are that some people are set in their ways and don't like change.

 

The way I see it is there is no definitive answer to what is Old Skool as everyone has their own interpretation. It needs either an exact year cut off point (like as it is now 1980) but then that means some MK1 Fiestas and MK2 Escorts won't count as Old Skool when others will. I think a description of the car and the way it was built count more for their "Old Skool-ness" than their age.

 

Something like......

 

Did some of the models come fitted with metal bumpers showing their bodywork underneath?

Does the body have external gutters?

Did some of the models come fitted with a carburettor when new?

Did some of the models only come with manual windows when new?

Are the windows gasket glazed?

 

If ALL of the answers to the above are yes then its (imho) Old Skool.

 

Just a thought

 

It was founded in early 2004 and was set up to cater for a specific set of cars. This was never made a secret of but doesn't really become apparent until after people have joined. This is perhaps something we should address if the change does not go ahead.

 

The Cut off date isn't (and wasn't) 1980 flat but in production by 1980, hence the anomaly where a 1986 mk3 Capri is in but a 1983 Mk3 Escort isn't.

 

To go the way you're suggesting would make it enormously complex and would inevitably result in lots of questions about "Why is car X in but car Y out?"

 

Yeah as said before though mk3 escort was in production in 1980 ?

[BLU]

The Cut off date isn't (and wasn't) 1980 flat but in production by 1980, hence the anomaly where a 1986 mk3 Capri is in but a 1983 Mk3 Escort isn't.

 

Yeah as said before though mk3 escort was in production in 1980 ?

 

So wheres the MK3 Escort forum??

 

I think thats the problem here, its not really clear where the line is drawn.

[phorbiuz]

Wow, I didn't realise the divisiveness on this site when I joined up very recently! I should be grateful I no longer have my 1984 Sierra XR4i (rear wheel drive, 2. but I still have a 1984 Capri (rear wheel drive, 2.. I guess people don't really want to hear about them?

 

I still have some Cortina's though from the 70's so it sounds as though I might still be OK on here?

[Vista]

You are fine as it is with any capri. Despite it being an 84, the car was in production prior to 1980

[shaun1.6ghia]

I haven't read what other people have written but I like all rwd fords and mk1&2 fiestas.

If they are tastefully built.

Harris had a mk1 sierra at classic ford last year I loved and was a mk3 escort estate in classic ford mag that was equally nice to see. I'd personally like to see a few more but not too many

[Mk2Jo]

We never intend to cause upset to those who join up and have great pride in telling us all about their MK2 Fezza or their MK3 Escort and, believe me, it is very difficult to have to say "welcome and thanks but no thanks" However, the site was originally set up to cater for specific models that the founder (Posse) liked simple as that. It doesn't mean that other models are not worthy of old skool status particularly but on this model specific forum they are not catered for.

We have thrown this open to all of you and especially to those that are contributors because it is your forum as well.

This is a huge step for us and we know some will not welcome a change. As we have said, this is only a discussion at the moment.

Personally I would be happy to see Mk2 Fezzas included under the old skool umbrella. I would be happy to offer a room specially for Mk3 Escorts, Mk1 Orions, Mk1 Sierras and to offer them limited spaces in a new old skool section of any club stands but keeping the original heart of old skool as a majority ... but ... this is purely my opinion and does not hold any greater influence than any one else's opinion.

One thing for sure is that we do need your honest opinions - including those of you who have never posted anything before - thank you

[duttnut]

How about a dedicated set of rooms for "Next Generation Old Skool" which anybody with newer cars could use to talk, get information and show their projects.

Over time these could be monitored, and if any particular model gets lots of interest then give it it's own model specific technical page, like mk1 and 2 Escorts, mk1 Fiestas, etc have now.

I can see us all dipping our toes and getting hooked on something either newer or older.

[BLU]

How about a dedicated set of rooms for "Next Generation Old Skool" which anybody with newer cars could use to talk, get information and show their projects.

Over time these could be monitored, and if any particular model gets lots of interest then give it it's own model specific technical page, like mk1 and 2 Escorts, mk1 Fiestas, etc have now.

I can see us all dipping our toes and getting hooked on something either newer or older.

 

^^^^ Thats a good idea ^^^^

[over_head_cam]

As part of the Admin team I am supposed to be impartial and open to the suggestions and feelings of the members of OSF.

But if I see a Sierra or Mk3 Escort on these pages, or on our club stands, I'm off.

 

What makes an Oldskoolford isn't a cut off date, or what the bumpers are made of either. You can't put your finger on it, you just know.

[turnover]

As part of the Admin team I am supposed to be impartial and open to the suggestions and feelings of the members of OSF.

But if I see a Sierra or Mk3 Escort on these pages, or on our club stands, I'm off.

 

What makes an Oldskoolford isn't a cut off date, or what the bumpers are made of either. You can't put your finger on it, you just know.

 

Your entitled to your opinion

[James HPE Motorsport]

Wow, I'm surprised at some of the comments on this post. Elitist??? Far from it as far as I'm concerned!

 

It's simple! Posse started all this and it's quite simple as far as I am concerned! What he wants to let in is up to him, and If people don't like it then I guess they will have to find another forum to go on!

 

I would quite happily see the 80's fords on here IMO but the thing that worries me is there are not many people out there that fit Amplifiers and Subwoofers in their Anglia or RWD escort. I would like to see a change but the problem I see is not only did the models change around the 80's, but the way there are modded aswell! I know everyone likes different things but its hard to govern what "Style" of these new/oldskools people will like. If you allow the new/oldskools in then you will have to prepare yourself for some cars with 19" wheels with a matching subwoofer!

 

Either way, I will still post in this forum, but who is to say that the forum will grow because of it? You may just find that you have just as many people leave as join and in a few years time, you may aswell change the forum name to Alcoholics Anonymous!!!

[duttnut]

A couple of people have said that Posse started the site and in their view it should remain up to him, I have no problem with this but it would be interesting to know how he stands on this.

Am I right in thinking that Posse is on the fence? and happy to listen to the views of his followers, cult OSF or not?

I'm not trying to push anyone for an opinion they don't want to voice, but I can see the "Posse said this and that's the way it will be" argument being repeated again and again, when I get the impression that isn't how things work at all, otherwise why would a vote have been started.

[Vista]

A couple of people have said that Posse started the site and in their view it should remain up to him, I have no problem with this but it would be interesting to know how he stands on this.

Am I right in thinking that Posse is on the fence? and happy to listen to the views of his followers, cult OSF or not?

I'm not trying to push anyone for an opinion they don't want to voice, but I can see the "Posse said this and that's the way it will be" argument being repeated again and again, when I get the impression that isn't how things work at all, otherwise why would a vote have been started.

 

We had an admin meeting at the weekend and agreed that it should be put to a public vote as the forum is a members forum. We were not universally in favour of offering it as an option but the majority vote was that we should ask.