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Time to replace Mums overheating Camry, the past 5 repairs have cost more than the cars value so have finally convinced her its time for a change. (Miracle!). Thing is I have no idea about whats good or bad in the plastic world. Any suggestions? A starting point would be good!

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9 minutes ago, dt36 said:

Get something like a Ford Focus.  Loads of them about for spare parts if needed and you can get the FORScan software on your phone for most diagnostics.

The Focus had come to mind but I know so little about them if they are reliable, easy to fix or all out trouble? One thing that did make me think of them is that, inexplicable to me, she wont own a hatch and it has to have a boot lid and I have noticed there are sedan Focus' out there.

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1 hour ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

 One thing that did make me think of them is that, inexplicable to me, she wont own a hatch and it has to have a boot lid and I have noticed there are sedan Focus' out there.

I guess women of an elderly disposition worry about reaching up and pulling down (what can be) a heavy tailgate, so I sort of understand her reasoning! Alas i'm no expert in tailgate effort comparisons . . . . . some more modern ones are button open / close though, but maybe not $3000! Do you get Toyota Yaris's in Aus.? We're on our 2nd one, the 1st went over 136k still on original battery and clutch!

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48 minutes ago, katana said:

I guess women of an elderly disposition worry about reaching up and pulling down (what can be) a heavy tailgate, so I sort of understand her reasoning! Alas i'm no expert in tailgate effort comparisons . . . . . some more modern ones are button open / close though, but maybe not $3000! Do you get Toyota Yaris's in Aus.? We're on our 2nd one, the 1st went over 136k still on original battery and clutch!

Yes we do have the Yaris here actually

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2 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

LOL I know! I do like the look of Mk1 hatches though, a bit of convincing needed to get there though.

I think a Focus ST225 will suit her for going down the Bingo with the girls :-)

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We have an '08 Focus Econetic-got it January 2020 after my Clio diesel went to the giant scrappy in the sky. Seemed a bargain, saw on eBay fairly local at only £750 as was searching for something with only £30 road tax bracket and it seemed to fit the bill. Phoned the guy as it had just come on eBay cheap, made an offer for £700 with proviso we'd get train the next day to collect from Plymouth. Was as described, slight dink on drivers rear door which was fine as using for daily hack. Drove home that evening lovely. Only thing is-every now and then the engine warning lights come on-get an EEPROM code and sort of limp home mode. Switch off and restart and it seems to clear it-cant seem to find much on the code thrown up-and a diagnostics reader plugged in throws up no codes either-only thing i have managed to find online is a possible fault with the actual dash. Anyway it's a nice drive-great on fuel and so far bar the bits for MOT (new lower arms, pads etc.) has been a good buy.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, meXEco said:

Only thing is-every now and then the engine warning lights come on-get an EEPROM code and sort of limp home mode. Switch off and restart and it seems to clear it-cant seem to find much on the code thrown up-and a diagnostics reader plugged in throws up no codes either-only thing i have managed to find online is a possible fault with the actual dash. Anyway it's a nice drive-great on fuel and so far bar the bits for MOT (new lower arms, pads etc.) has been a good buy.

 

I use Torque a lot, but use FORScan Lite on my phone for a Ford.  This reads the modules and codes to a much deeper level than Torque.

FORScan will work with a standard Bluetooth OBD2 adaptor, but a Tunnel Rat is much faster.

There is also a PC version that you can run on a trial license that is faster, with switchable MS/HS CAN speeds.  This is best used with a hard wired adaptor.

https://tunnelrat-electronics.fwscart.com/

 

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4 hours ago, Vista said:

£3,000 buys more than you might think if you go older in the window  .

1 owner low mileage 2007 E Class Merc?

2010 Class?

2006 A4?

2005 3 Series?

Very low mileage 2004 Rover 75?

Volvo S40?

I kind of like the S40 actually but for us European cars in general have very high maintenance costs here compared to their Japanese counterparts. While we have a steep devalue curve its nowhere near as stark as the one yous guys have so we dont get the bargains on models, particularly European, like you guys do. A Volvo S40 would be 50% to 100% more expensive for the same year model as you guys would pay.

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4 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

I kind of like the S40 actually but for us European cars in general have very high maintenance costs here compared to their Japanese counterparts. While we have a steep devalue curve its nowhere near as stark as the one yous guys have so we dont get the bargains on models, particularly European, like you guys do. A Volvo S40 would be 50% to 100% more expensive for the same year model as you guys would pay.

Jap saloons here in that price and age bracket gives you a number of options for an Accord, Avensis or Mazda 6. A few Lexus IS options too

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5 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

So whats wrong with Mondeos? Jeremy Clarkson use to really love them but when i mention it as a possibility to the mechanics here they have heart attacks? Whats the story with that?

Very big car for your Mother mind and you would need to look for a saloon if she doesn't like a tailgate.

Easy car to work on and very comfortable drive.  Sporting versions have bottomed out price wise and are now slowly starting to appreciate in value.  I don't think it will ever be a full time classic, but it has a fair club following and is a good winter alternative in our weather for local Ford meets when the Escort is tucked away.

Balljoints and drop links suffer a bit on UK roads.  Injectors and turbos can suffer on diesel models if not serviced accordingly on older cars.  Also dual mass flywheel can be a bit expensive.  Petrol Zetecs are plentiful and easy to work on.  Biggest drama on them is the swirl flaps in inlet manifold.  3.0 V6 version is 220 bhp, enough said...

Spare parts wise, there's plenty still new and on the second hand market. Diagnostic kit (FORScan) is free for full read/write functions is about £20 for the correct OBD adapter.  I use a TunnelRat OBD.  https://tunnelrat-electronics.fwscart.com/

I picked this one up for £650 and recently got offered £1,600 for it.  Needs a rear window regulator, 4 wheel alignment and a de-cat pipe now and it's all done.

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6 hours ago, dt36 said:

Very big car for your Mother mind and you would need to look for a saloon if she doesn't like a tailgate.

Easy car to work on and very comfortable drive.  Sporting versions have bottomed out price wise and are now slowly starting to appreciate in value.  I don't think it will ever be a full time classic, but it has a fair club following and is a good winter alternative in our weather for local Ford meets when the Escort is tucked away.

Balljoints and drop links suffer a bit on UK roads.  Injectors and turbos can suffer on diesel models if not serviced accordingly on older cars.  Also dual mass flywheel can be a bit expensive.  Petrol Zetecs are plentiful and easy to work on.  Biggest drama on them is the swirl flaps in inlet manifold.  3.0 V6 version is 220 bhp, enough said...

Spare parts wise, there's plenty still new and on the second hand market. Diagnostic kit (FORScan) is free for full read/write functions is about £20 for the correct OBD adapter.  I use a TunnelRat OBD.  https://tunnelrat-electronics.fwscart.com/

I picked this one up for £650 and recently got offered £1,600 for it.  Needs a rear window regulator, 4 wheel alignment and a de-cat pipe now and it's all done.

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I thought maybe an earlier model to the one you have pictured as they seemed a bit smaller but that could just be an optical illusion? Your one seems as big as our Falcons.

Strictly 4 cyl versions so I thought a Zetec for reasonable parts availability? Is there something finicky with their transmissions that seemed to be the part one found scary?

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1 hour ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

I thought maybe an earlier model to the one you have pictured as they seemed a bit smaller but that could just be an optical illusion? Your one seems as big as our Falcons.

Strictly 4 cyl versions so I thought a Zetec for reasonable parts availability? Is there something finicky with their transmissions that seemed to be the part one found scary?

They are all fairly big.  This one is a MK3, but I think the MK4 is about the same size.

Gearbox wise, I've not heard of many issues with them, unless he's referring to the dual mass flywheel.  Mine does have a torque limiter set in on 1st and 2nd gear though.  Not sure if the 2.0 Zetec has that.

I still think a Focus or Fiesta would be better though, as they are a lot smaller.  Simple issue with the rear tailgate would be to put a strap on it for ease of reaching to pull it closed.

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On 21/10/2021 at 02:40, dt36 said:

They are all fairly big.  This one is a MK3, but I think the MK4 is about the same size.

Gearbox wise, I've not heard of many issues with them, unless he's referring to the dual mass flywheel.  Mine does have a torque limiter set in on 1st and 2nd gear though.  Not sure if the 2.0 Zetec has that.

I still think a Focus or Fiesta would be better though, as they are a lot smaller.  Simple issue with the rear tailgate would be to put a strap on it for ease of reaching to pull it closed.

Hmmm you have me thinking now as I didnt think of them as all that big, roughly the same size as the Camry she has now but that one in your photo looks huge. Fiesta is definitely too small, she hates small hatches thats why I had to rule out a Mk1 Focus which I do like. This mechanical obsession for bland and most common Japanese cars that Im getting from these mechanics strikes  me more of laziness and easy fixes by the sounds of it. Although parts availability could be issues too. After her stroke it seems its going to be more a car to drive her around in rather than drive herself so I was hoping something with a bit of character!

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1 hour ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

Hmmm you have me thinking now as I didnt think of them as all that big, roughly the same size as the Camry she has now but that one in your photo looks huge. Fiesta is definitely too small, she hates small hatches thats why I had to rule out a Mk1 Focus which I do like. This mechanical obsession for bland and most common Japanese cars that Im getting from these mechanics strikes  me more of laziness and easy fixes by the sounds of it. Although parts availability could be issues too. After her stroke it seems its going to be more a car to drive her around in rather than drive herself so I was hoping something with a bit of character!

If your driving it, then Mondeo ST220 or a Focus 225 ST 😇

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4 minutes ago, dt36 said:

If your driving it, then Mondeo ST220 or a Focus 225 ST 😇

LOL I would have to justify the price to my sisters that who also chip in taking her places! If I had free reign I would get the SLK 230 I wanted and its even within budget!

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4 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

LOL I would have to justify the price to my sisters that who also chip in taking her places! If I had free reign I would get the SLK 230 I wanted and its even within budget!

Have you considered offering to take your sisters to the Bingo on a Wednesday night?

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35 minutes ago, dt36 said:

Have you considered offering to take your sisters to the Bingo on a Wednesday night?

Well my brother-in-law, husband to one of those sisters has 2 Camero's of different years and also a 72 Corvette Stingray so you would think I would be allowed more latitude!

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