after reading retro ford

[over_head_cam]

In any case. ARCH3D_E5CY has more to say than that. More than one subject. Know what i mean.

 

I do know one thing, if there are any more personal insults like:

 

'you are stupid'

'your ideas are shit'

'you're an idiot' etc from anyone, not just Gaz, the post will have to be removed. That would be a shame because there are some valid arguments here. Lets be sensible please

[Guest MK1gaz]

gaz

[Guest MK1gaz]

 

Duratecs are a waste of money and thats for sure!I don't agree with Gaz most of the time,but a £2000 Pinto is much better value!Or a YBT...

 

Had to bring this post back again , also notice the way that no fooooooker has a dig at this bloke for saying it , so i'll say it then " DURATECS ARE A WASTE OF MONEY " , so unless you've got £8000+ for a proper engine + install then don't bother

 

Gaz, ARCH3D_E5CY has his age down as 13, that's why I didn't take his statement seriously. How many 13 year olds out there do you know that have a really good grasp on how much an engine costs to build and what the subtle differences are between them on completion?

Well if that's the case your 99 and over-head-cam is 6 !!!!!!!

[Jimbob-Squarepants ©]

I wouldn't normally say anything on this type of thread, I just like to read and take everything in. I have read this thread in detail from start to finish, and it has been good with some very good arguments raised from BOTH sides.

 

It has been said, it is down to the person who owns the car as to what engine will power it. O_H_C had a good point earlier on by saying that this sort of thing shouldn't be takled by the "This one is better than that, because that is shite" approach. I too would take that as an insult to my personal choice.

 

There is one major thing that no-one has even mentioned yet. We have heard about the pro's and con's of each engine in detail, and we have also heard about the choice being down to the owner. But, one thing that hasn't been said is:

 

Whether it is a Pre Crossflow, Crossflow, Pinto, Zetec, Duratec, Cologne V6 or even the old Sidevalve, THEY WILL ALL FIT. O.k, some may cost more than others, some maybe more work than others to fit & tune. But, if it wasn't down to various tuners, fabricators and various companies full stop, none of this would be possible.

 

I know, if I was in the market for a different engine, I would definatley be looking at a Zetec or Duratec. There will be no doubt at all, that the Crossflow & Pinto will be around for many years, these are both engines that have stood the test of time, but there HAS to be progress. If there wasn't, Ford would still be making cars powered by Sidevalves.

 

No-one should stand in the way of progress or change, sure, Duratec's may cost a bit to build and fit, and as I have already seen in detail, they can be done for the price of a Pinto or cheaper, but as more people are willing to make the change and fit one, these prices will go down.

 

OSF's are about character, individuality, interchangeability, style, and cult status. No-one should knock anyones choice of colour, wheels, furry seat covers or engines. Gaz, you love the Pinto, fair enough mate, I like them too, but, there are people out there that are trying new things.

 

If my Anglia wasn't so straight, I would be fitting a Zetec or Duratec tomorrow, but until I find a shell I can cut about, I will stick to my 1300 Pre Crossflow, and just stare at Neils Zetec powered Anglia whilst playing with myself very gently.

 

I think I have summed up what I wanted to say

[RETRO_AL]

well said m8

[Wessie]

well done jim

[Retromotorsport]

Jim for Prime Minister

 

[Guest MK1gaz]

Well if duratecs fitted in an escort and ran for the same price as the oldskool 1970's engines then they would stand more chance of being used by people . It's the huge install and get up and running cost that seals their fate . A shame but true . Due to this high cost it's only worth doing it if you've got a full on 2.3 race motor to install hence the lack of 140-190 bhp type installations floating about on the scene . In fact i've not seen any working or driving about as yet , all i've seen is the top spec full monty installs in rally cars and the retroford mk2 escort road car . The people will start fitting them when the install bits get cheaper but this is never ever going to be a cheap engine swop to do because of the nature of the duratec engine itself and the fact that no standard parts bolt to it . Also the fact that the bottom ends toilet which really put me off using one full stop . Anyone fitting a duratec to an old ford is going to want to tune it for sure as 180 bhp / 150 ibls feet is not going to leave the proper oldskool power behind is it ? This then adds another nail into it's coffin as tuning it a little requires changing nearly everything !!!!!!! . Unlike an XE which will bark away happily with only a couple of new cams and 200 bhp power potential using it's standard bottom end

[emu]

Anyone fitting a duratec to an old ford is going to want to tune it for sure as 180 bhp / 150 ibls feet is not going to leave the proper oldskool power behind is it ? This then adds another nail into it's coffin as tuning it a little requires changing nearly everything !!!!!!!

 

Talking of nails in coffins........ The days of the £20 standard pinto has gone and for some unknown reason (despite them being the worlds best engine ever) ford decided a while back to drop it. This means that the 'scene' needs to come up with a replacement for the limited remaining numbers. and the zetec, duratec are them.

[GT_Jim]

i was looking at doin a zetec install as it wouldnt cost much more than getting my pre xflow re machined and rebuilt to my spec and get a new gearbox. the zetec is more appealing too as it will do more to the gallon than my gt standard it just makes sence as i want to use it everyday again and you cant do that with a pre xflow

[Vista]

i was looking at doin a zetec install as it wouldnt cost much more than getting my pre xflow re machined and rebuilt to my spec and get a new gearbox. the zetec is more appealing too as it will do more to the gallon than my gt standard it just makes sence as i want to use it everyday again and you cant do that with a pre xflow

 

Why can't you use a pre X-flow everyday? An engine's an engine surely and if it's in good nick I don't see why you can't use it everyday? they were used everyday when they were first sold after all.

 

Still I'm with you on the Zetec, my friends Escort goes very well with his Zetec in it.

[caprifan]

I wouldn't normally say anything on this type of thread, I just like to read and take everything in. I have read this thread in detail from start to finish, and it has been good with some very good arguments raised from BOTH sides.

 

It has been said, it is down to the person who owns the car as to what engine will power it. O_H_C had a good point earlier on by saying that this sort of thing shouldn't be takled by the "This one is better than that, because that is shite" approach. I too would take that as an insult to my personal choice.

 

There is one major thing that no-one has even mentioned yet. We have heard about the pro's and con's of each engine in detail, and we have also heard about the choice being down to the owner. But, one thing that hasn't been said is:

 

Whether it is a Pre Crossflow, Crossflow, Pinto, Zetec, Duratec, Cologne V6 or even the old Sidevalve, THEY WILL ALL FIT. O.k, some may cost more than others, some maybe more work than others to fit & tune. But, if it wasn't down to various tuners, fabricators and various companies full stop, none of this would be possible.

 

I know, if I was in the market for a different engine, I would definatley be looking at a Zetec or Duratec. There will be no doubt at all, that the Crossflow & Pinto will be around for many years, these are both engines that have stood the test of time, but there HAS to be progress. If there wasn't, Ford would still be making cars powered by Sidevalves.

 

No-one should stand in the way of progress or change, sure, Duratec's may cost a bit to build and fit, and as I have already seen in detail, they can be done for the price of a Pinto or cheaper, but as more people are willing to make the change and fit one, these prices will go down.

 

OSF's are about character, individuality, interchangeability, style, and cult status. No-one should knock anyones choice of colour, wheels, furry seat covers or engines. Gaz, you love the Pinto, fair enough mate, I like them too, but, there are people out there that are trying new things.

 

If my Anglia wasn't so straight, I would be fitting a Zetec or Duratec tomorrow, but until I find a shell I can cut about, I will stick to my 1300 Pre Crossflow, and just stare at Neils Zetec powered Anglia whilst playing with myself very gently.

 

I think I have summed up what I wanted to say

 

...yay he mentioned the Cologne V6

 

...its old, heavy as a battleship, slow as fook but I and I alone choose to keep it in the bay till I can afford a V8

[GT_Jim]

i was looking at doin a zetec install as it wouldnt cost much more than getting my pre xflow re machined and rebuilt to my spec and get a new gearbox. the zetec is more appealing too as it will do more to the gallon than my gt standard it just makes sence as i want to use it everyday again and you cant do that with a pre xflow

 

Why can't you use a pre X-flow everyday? An engine's an engine surely and if it's in good nick I don't see why you can't use it everyday? they were used everyday when they were first sold after all.

 

Still I'm with you on the Zetec, my friends Escort goes very well with his Zetec in it.

 

it was probably me but mine is totally original as far as im aware it hasnt been rebuilt since it was put together in the 60's but it did quite a few miles in it and i think it jsut got tired it leaked oil even though i kept replacing gaskets. then it finally siezed on my way back from the powder coaters due to the "new" sump being cracked very slightly where the plug goes

 

but in the 2months before that it only did 10miles max as everything started to fail. it was a fickle engine and it was hit and miss on starting at times too so i just want something i can get in and it will fire first time

 

plus i have moved out to uni and the trip home is mainly motorway which put alot of strain on it where a zetec could do it with ease

[Jimbob-Squarepants ©]

...yay he mentioned the Cologne V6

 

...its old, heavy as a battleship, slow as fook but I and I alone choose to keep it in the bay till I can afford a V8

 

I'm keeping mine too mate, so your not alone

[andypipe]

gaz . . http://www.oldskoolford.co.uk/phpBB2/vi ... sc&start=0

theres your chance to race andy

I have already offered to race gaz but he shifts the goal posts, buty i have a championship race 2 days after and dont want to stress the car. Besides, his car wont be ready

[andypipe]

i take it by 'racing' you mean drag racing ?

Are you really stupid mate or do you practise hard . I've not got a bloody drag race car have i ? I'VE GOT A ROAD CAR If the retromotorsport race cars want to race it then they can fit street tyres and ballast up their lightweight , plastic , stripped out motors to the same weight as mine . If they're heavier then i don't care . Then i'll race them up the drag strip and around brands hatch if they turn up

All ready done that

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showpost.ph ... tcount=157

[alladdin]

I wouldn't normally say anything on this type of thread, I just like to read and take everything in. I have read this thread in detail from start to finish, and it has been good with some very good arguments raised from BOTH sides.

 

It has been said, it is down to the person who owns the car as to what engine will power it. O_H_C had a good point earlier on by saying that this sort of thing shouldn't be takled by the "This one is better than that, because that is shite" approach. I too would take that as an insult to my personal choice.

 

There is one major thing that no-one has even mentioned yet. We have heard about the pro's and con's of each engine in detail, and we have also heard about the choice being down to the owner. But, one thing that hasn't been said is:

 

Whether it is a Pre Crossflow, Crossflow, Pinto, Zetec, Duratec, Cologne V6 or even the old Sidevalve, THEY WILL ALL FIT. O.k, some may cost more than others, some maybe more work than others to fit & tune. But, if it wasn't down to various tuners, fabricators and various companies full stop, none of this would be possible.

 

I know, if I was in the market for a different engine, I would definatley be looking at a Zetec or Duratec. There will be no doubt at all, that the Crossflow & Pinto will be around for many years, these are both engines that have stood the test of time, but there HAS to be progress. If there wasn't, Ford would still be making cars powered by Sidevalves.

 

No-one should stand in the way of progress or change, sure, Duratec's may cost a bit to build and fit, and as I have already seen in detail, they can be done for the price of a Pinto or cheaper, but as more people are willing to make the change and fit one, these prices will go down.

 

OSF's are about character, individuality, interchangeability, style, and cult status. No-one should knock anyones choice of colour, wheels, furry seat covers or engines. Gaz, you love the Pinto, fair enough mate, I like them too, but, there are people out there that are trying new things.

 

If my Anglia wasn't so straight, I would be fitting a Zetec or Duratec tomorrow, but until I find a shell I can cut about, I will stick to my 1300 Pre Crossflow, and just stare at Neils Zetec powered Anglia whilst playing with myself very gently.

 

I think I have summed up what I wanted to say

 

well put. unfortunately as you saw it was wasted on some.

[over_head_cam]

Jim

 

Well put

[Guest MK1gaz]

Anyone fitting a duratec to an old ford is going to want to tune it for sure as 180 bhp / 150 ibls feet is not going to leave the proper oldskool power behind is it ? This then adds another nail into it's coffin as tuning it a little requires changing nearly everything !!!!!!!

 

Talking of nails in coffins........ The days of the £20 standard pinto has gone and for some unknown reason (despite them being the worlds best engine ever) ford decided a while back to drop it. This means that the 'scene' needs to come up with a replacement for the limited remaining numbers. and the zetec, duratec are them.

Well fords used pintos for 20 years in their motors and they only stopped because of tighter emissions regulations . Hence why zetecs didn't last that long and duratecs won't either , once emission regs change then the next " wonder engine " will be upon us and the cycle starts again .

[Guest MK1gaz]

i was looking at doin a zetec install as it wouldnt cost much more than getting my pre xflow re machined and rebuilt to my spec and get a new gearbox. the zetec is more appealing too as it will do more to the gallon than my gt standard it just makes sence as i want to use it everyday again and you cant do that with a pre xflow

It makes me laugh that people compare a knackered old engine to a modernish one in a mondeo . Yes if it's 40 years old + shot to bits it's gonna break down , so will a knackered zetec , ask my next door neighbour whos fixing his mondeo every weekend !!!!!!!!! Also millions of people used the old engines as daily runners in the 1960's , 1970's , 1980's etc and never had any problems doing so . In fact if you ever did then you could at least fix them in 5 mins with a screwdriver

[mitomad]

but you wouldnt neec to fix a zetec or a duratec with a scredriver every 5 mins cas there more reliable then a pintosaurus, and of course they were using pintos as every day cars back in the day but times move on gaz and emissions have changed and so have petrol prices, at the end of the day a duratec or zetec seems the better choice to me and will be for years to come.

Just seems like you are a bit brainwashed like a pinto salesman.

[Guest MK1gaz]

Well you would have to fix a duratec/zetec conversion more often than a pinto/x-flow one that's for sure . Also when you do it will take twice as long and cost twice as much !!!!!!!! The old engines are a piece of piss to work on and fix and us older blokes used these cars + engines for daily runners back in the day . I can tell you this , they are very reliable , i used an rs2000 everyday for 5 years and it was always spot on . I've also used 1300/1100/1600xf power etc everyday for donkeys years as well and the same thing happened , started every morning , drove everywhere , 100% reliable everyone of them

[Arched Escy]

I may be 13,but I still have a valid point.How much power and reliability will you get out of a £2000 Pinto install?Now how much power and reliability will you get out of a £2000 Duratec install?Me and my 2 Uncles done a Pinto conversion in an Mk2 Escort in a day.Now you name someone that can install a Duratec in a day!

[Guest MK1gaz]

You wouldn't even get a £2000 duratec install , it would cost you more than that for the bits just for the fuel system !!!!!!!!

[Retromotorsport]

Well fords used pintos for 20 years in their motors and they only stopped because of tighter emissions regulations . Hence why zetecs didn't last that long and duratecs won't either , once emission regs change then the next " wonder engine " will be upon us and the cycle starts again .

 

 

Its funny but if we look at an engine as some pistons and a block and a head.. then thats that part of it.. take a modern engine and fit some carbs to it and you'll have an engine that cant make the emission levels..

Take an old engine and fit fuel injection, and EGR system and a Cat and you have an old engine that can pass the emission tests.

 

Gaz its the fueling and exhaust that do the emissions..not the engine.

 

A Pre-xflow can be made to run clean