after reading retro ford

[Guest MK1gaz]

I have looked into duratec installs and that's the problem mate . Dry sump , water rail , engine mount , alternater relocation kit , lower steering rack kit , custom bell housing , relocate gearbox , custom rad , custom exhaust , throttle bodies , ecu , mapping , convert to fuel injection etc , etc , blah , blah , blah = BIG BUCKS for 180 bhp and 150 ibls feet with a weedy bottom end . You buy one then and lets see what it goes like

[Retromotorsport]

Is it just me.... or can you not read that list .. ecu / tbs/dry sump/clutch/steel flywheel/ etc etc

 

 

with eyes like yours its no wonder you seeing double prices on the things your looking at.

 

 

Both engines are fine Gaz... just stop missleading people with inflated prices ... the proof is out there if you look.

[emu]

I have looked into duratec installs and that's the problem mate . Dry sump , water rail , engine mount , alternater relocation kit , lower steering rack kit , custom bell housing , relocate gearbox , custom rad , custom exhaust , throttle bodies , ecu , mapping , convert to fuel injection etc , etc , blah , blah , blah = BIG BUCKS for 180 bhp and 150 ibls feet with a weedy bottom end . You buy one then and lets see what it goes like

 

Even if it does have a weedy bottom end, as and when it goes bang you can get a replacement for a few hundred quid at the breakers. (or £20 if you have a zetec). As and when your 'overbored-to-the-limit' pinto goes bang you'll need to start again from scratch.

[Guest MK1gaz]

All those bits are £3500 with vat and you still don't have an engine or the rest of the bits yet to fit it and get it working in the car . Just face it mate a duratec install is expensive and unless you've got a full monty 2.3 one your going to be disapointed when an old pinto with 45's , a set of points and a H.P.E. sticker on the windscreen blasts past it !!!!!!!!

[emu]

Bright idea......

 

Fit this, then race Gaz and his 135/80/13's

[Guest MK1gaz]

Bright idea......

 

Fit this, then race Gaz and his 135/80/13's

. Your car would break in half though after 5 mins !!!!!!!!!

[emu]

Strangely, I thought you would have an answer to that

 

But its ok, because 5 minutes is more than enough to beat your escort down the strip 20 odd times

[Guest MK1gaz]

Strangely, I thought you would have an answer to that

 

But its ok, because 5 minutes is more than enough to beat your escort down the strip 20 odd times

yes but you've got to get one first

[Posse]

gaz can i race you please

[105Speed]

I have looked into duratec installs and that's the problem mate . Dry sump ,

 

 

You aint looked hard enough then... Retro Ford do a Wet Sump ! also available through Burtons...

 

 

Gaz & Gary... get with the program.. the Duratec world is fast moving and getting cheaper and easier as months go by.

 

But please.. stop giving people the impression you have to dry sump... YOU DONT

[Wessie]

gaz can i race you please

 

[Retromotorsport]

 

 

Gaz & Gary... get with the program.. the Duratec world is fast moving and getting cheaper and easier as months go by.

 

But please.. stop giving people the impression you have to dry sump... YOU DONT

 

Neil, i'm not ... what i was doing was showing Gaz Mk1 that the costs of the kits... read that parts list and and that to a standard 2 litre Pinto... then get the Pinto to 180 brake ... Pinto seems to get expensive then .. Not the Duratecs.

 

Dave White was on a wet sumped Zetec ages ago.. 4 years or more, He swapped out the Pinto he had built up for the car after having problems with it, and even then, it worked out cheaper than the Pinto. The engine made 170 something at T&R on 45's and £500 MBE ECU and harness. The engine mounts and water rail along with the alloy sump where all bought from Raceline and fitted in the car for under 1k .. the engine cost £200 plus a gaskets set and head skim. So if you take the fuel and exhaust off the engine was £1700 for 170bhp working in the car . Infact the car was in a PPC feature " how to build this car for under 4K" think it was issue 2-3 of the mag.. and that 4k included linking the car with a cage etc ...

 

He then bought a 220bhp Neil Roper engine for 3k complete ..ecu carbs the lot ready to run in an escort , this he sold to a guy racing a Ginetta after he decided that 220 wasnt going to haul his Thunderloon around fast enough, this engine is also was also wet sumped ... think the Ginetta is using an Accusump add on... Neils engines are Dyno'ed at HT/T&R so we know the 220 is spot on.. Neils blueprinted Zetecs are banging on the door of 200 .... the pinto.. blue printed and still at 2L's ... not quite there is it

 

Pintos are cheap..Zetecs are cheap, and so are Duratecs... as long as you take your head out of the sand and stop listening to Gaz... he priced up god knows what as i've fitted a 294 2.5L Scholar Duratec for less than 10k ... and that is from the front pully to the release bearing on the AP twin plate paddle that came with the engine, along with the alternator, the dry sump, the TB's and ECU , the air filter, the water rail, the ING Module, the leads,plugs, starter, etc etc ... infact everthing the engine ran on the dyno with, all for £8,500 English pounds . The other 1.5 k is the Tony Law exhaust manifold, a dry sump tank, and lines etc .. plus the bulkhead cut... this is a race car, you do not need to cut the cars to fit a Duratec. DAve at RetroFord has proved this , so has Matt Little (he has notched his x-member to lower the engine a touch to take advantage of the notch in the sump.) and countless others who are willing to try something new.

 

The final word on the Duratec.. Cosworth ran their Durabilty test on the Duratec... 97 odd hours under load at 6000 rpm ... that ladies a gentlemen .. is a Fooking tool.

[over_head_cam]

The sensible person will make their own mind up. They will use their own intelligence to take in all the pros and cons of the 'which engine' argument and do a bit of pricing for themselves. All the powerplants have their own merits and I'm sure the discussions on which is 'best' will continue long into the future.

 

The thing that bugs me the most is when you hear things like: "You don't want that old shit, the ***** is much better"

 

When people make a choice on what engine to use, or in fact what anything to use in their lives, it is like an attack on them personally when some ignorant individuals disrespect their choices. For me that is not the right way to treat other people.

 

If I want to put a perkins diesel in my escort I will, and that is MY choice. Saying things like "That's a swank engine" etc will induce a knee-jerk reaction where I may, or may not retort in a disproportionate way

[Rick]

"You don't want that old shit, the ***** is much better"

 

i get that all the time when iv told people im using a crossflow....

 

'look im 22 been driving 2 yrs, i dont have 3k to spend on insurance the crossflow is just fine thanks :-D'

[Retromotorsport]

"You don't want that old shit, the ***** is much better"

 

i get that all the time when iv told people im using a crossflow....

 

'look im 22 been driving 2 yrs, i dont have 3k to spend on insurance the crossflow is just fine thanks :-D'

 

Theres plenty off life left in the old x-flows yet... think they will be around for-ever ..so will the pinto.

 

Andy Pipe shows up a few bigger engined cars in his car

[Guest MK1gaz]

If you don't put a dry sump on a duratec then it will blow up because the wet sump conversion i've seen is very shallow and still expensive . Unless you've got £10,000 for a proper race duratec install then your never beat the pintos i'm affraid , you can all winge + moan about it but that's life . If you think you can fit and get running with a duratec for £3000 then dream on and good luck . It will still be slow though so why bother ?

[Guest MK1gaz]

gaz can i race you please

Yes mate no worries . Down the mad mile it is then after one of the summer meets at esher etc .

[Retromotorsport]

If you don't put a dry sump on a duratec then it will blow up because the wet sump conversion i've seen is very shallow and still expensive . Unless you've got £10,000 for a proper race duratec install then your never beat the pintos i'm affraid , you can all winge + moan about it but that's life . If you think you can fit and get running with a duratec for £3000 then dream on and good luck . It will still be slow though so why bother ?

 

 

Its funny but i'm sure a few posts ago i priced up a near 200bhp standard internally dry sumped new engine for 5k... but then i must be mad because all those in the Sport2000 championship must be on a different planet than this one where you cant get a 200 bhp Duratec for less than 10k... even though they race them everyweekend and they have only cost them £4700.. leaves 300 quid from the 5k ... and ok the bits ya need may be another grand..but it still aint 10k is it ... and how much is a 200bhp pinto with all the kit that the Duratec comes with?

 

Like i said before Gaz, your the only one slating engines here... so quit giving false info ... its the all singing and dancing close to 300bhp engines that are 10k ... complete with everything ... oh and if you say they are weak how come Steve Boughton has just scrapped his XE in favour for a Duratec.. which made 300bhp the couple of weeks ago with not a lot done to it .. Oh and the XE threw a rod (admittedly he didnt build that XE i belive. as he was too busy busy with jobs) but it didnt come close to 300bhp .

 

So tell me how much a 300bhp Pinto is and an 300bhp XE or even a 300 "16V Pinto"

 

come on, your quick enough to dish the your prices on other engines, lets see you price those up..and i want website links not your fiction factor prices.

 

And before anyone says that i'm having a dig at a pinto... i've said it before and stand by it.. you can have just as much sideways fun in x-flow powered car as a pinto powered as a XE powered as a Zetec or Duratec powered car... if it power out does its grip... and you can spin up a 1300cc on skinny wheels.

 

the other point here is.. i dont sell engine or engine instal parts ..

 

3 reasons i move engines back on modified cars

 

A: better weight distrubution (pintos and yb's are heavier than a x-flow/zetec/duratec)

 

B: The bulkheads are normally rotten down the center ... its cheaper to do my bulkhead mods than replace a whole bulkhead panel and heater plenum.

 

C: its a modified car , so it dont matter if the bulkheads moved..

 

people want chassis mounts and have a rotten bulkhead and want the car better balanced .. so i move the engine ..

[Guest MK1gaz]

I SAID you'll need a £10,000 duratec install to actually have a chance at beating the pintos . You won't beat them with a £5000 install in a million years i'm affraid . Also don't take any notice of the bullshit "peak bhp" numbers offered on the duratec engine packages , it's what they actually go like that matters in the real world . The world has seen how fast the pintos go , to beat them with a modern duratec engine install requires big money

[Wessie]

:snore: :bored: :deja-vu:

[Retromotorsport]

I SAID you'll need a £10,000 duratec install to actually have a chance at beating the pintos . You won't beat them with a £5000 install in a million years i'm affraid . Also don't take any notice of the bullshit "peak bhp" numbers offered on the duratec engine packages , it's what they actually go like that matters in the real world . The world has seen how fast the pintos go , to beat them with a modern duratec engine install requires big money

 

 

So thats why those same engines i was talking about are beating the pintos in identical cars everytime the race ... yep Gaz has just shot himself again..

[Retromotorsport]

I SAID you'll need a £10,000 duratec install to actually have a chance at beating the pintos . You won't beat them with a £5000 install in a million years i'm affraid . Also don't take any notice of the bullshit "peak bhp" numbers offered on the duratec engine packages , it's what they actually go like that matters in the real world . The world has seen how fast the pintos go , to beat them with a modern duratec engine install requires big money

 

 

and no where in there is a price for a 200bhp pinto

[Wessie]

gaz ! give up !,

no-ones saying the pinto is a bad engine, theres other engines on the market that people choose to use ! get over it ! you cant make everyone run a pinto !

[Guest MK1gaz]

I SAID you'll need a £10,000 duratec install to actually have a chance at beating the pintos . You won't beat them with a £5000 install in a million years i'm affraid . Also don't take any notice of the bullshit "peak bhp" numbers offered on the duratec engine packages , it's what they actually go like that matters in the real world . The world has seen how fast the pintos go , to beat them with a modern duratec engine install requires big money

 

 

So thats why those same engines i was talking about are beating the pintos in identical cars everytime the race ... yep Gaz has just shot himself again..

Sorry , i've only seen 1X 280 bhp spec duratec go so far , guess what , the pintos were in front !!!!!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

I SAID you'll need a £10,000 duratec install to actually have a chance at beating the pintos . You won't beat them with a £5000 install in a million years i'm affraid . Also don't take any notice of the bullshit "peak bhp" numbers offered on the duratec engine packages , it's what they actually go like that matters in the real world . The world has seen how fast the pintos go , to beat them with a modern duratec engine install requires big money

 

 

and no where in there is a price for a 200bhp pinto

Depends who builds it and what bits you use , i can get one complete , built by a legend for £3500 . You'll need a £10,000 duratec to catch it !!!!!!!!!