after reading retro ford

[Slik 50]

Jesus h fookin christ on a bamboo raft did you see that thing trying to pull itself off the rollers

 

This one wants to take off

 

[Rick]

wouldnt get me driving one of those

[Retromotorsport]

If I wanted a modern engine with more power I'd buy a modern car - not molest it into my osf. With all these modern engines being fitted I cant help but look at them and view it as 50% old skool and 50% modern. It's not genuinely old skool anymore imho.

 

 

I can sorta see what your saying ...

 

But.

 

I've got a mk1 with a 1600cc cast iron block, aluminium 16valve head thats belt driven ..

 

what engine is it ?

BDA or Zetec..

 

Both have pistons, valves , carbs, 2 cams a sump etc , the difference is cost, both ar 120bhp and one costs 10k and one 2 k ... thats the beauty of modern engines ...

[over_head_cam]

Twink m8. I reckon you should....

 

 

 

 

 

 

...do whatever YOU want

[puddy]

I've been out in a few cossied escorts and they are simply awesome, I even started to collect bits and pieces to build one myself (admittedly this was partly becuase everyone else was doing it at the time ).

 

However, I decided that whilst the cossie'd escorts are amazing and thrilling to drive, it just wasn't the same as a pinto with a big set of webers snarling for air at full chat - its unmistakable and brings a smile to my face each time I hear it. Whilst it may be heavy, old and have a dated design, for me this is what makes them old skool - its all part of that old skool ford package. If I wanted a modern engine with more power I'd buy a modern car - not molest it into my osf. With all these modern engines being fitted I cant help but look at them and view it as 50% old skool and 50% modern. It's not genuinely old skool anymore imho.

 

I suppose what I'm saying is that the car with the more modern engine is a better car for it, but it doesn't quite have the soul of an old skool ford with the original engines that made us appreciate them in the first place.

 

All imho of course

 

I think you miss the point then about cars like my tina,its a" Retro"

 

some thing that looks old but hides a very modern punch!

 

puddy

[DEP]

i have never owned or been out in a cossie

 

Ill take you out in my one Lee, next time i see you

 

Oh and just my little bit, I love my new cossie one to bits, its something i often thought about doing it with FOE, but it would have been alot of money, I would say if you are serious about having a cossie turbo d escort, do what i did, buy one thats already been done, I ve been told my new one would of cost 30k to build, yet i bought it at a fraction of that.

Plus the whole debate on carbs v turbo, I ve now got one of each

[Guest MK1gaz]

Well i can't wait to see all these modern engines trying to beat the t-rex pintosaurs engines this summer at the races . The 16v pintosaurs engines will be out in force as well so you best watch out for the dinos in your "modern " zetecs + mazda duratecs

[Guest MK1gaz]

Puddy... the other thing that isnt mentioned on here is the fact that 9 months ago according to the laws in Gazicstan you had to have a Pinto ... nothing else would do .. then the laws changed in Gazicstan and you had to have a "16 valve pinto" and that was after the powers that be rubbished all 16 valve engines as being slower than the 8 valve pinto .

The chief in Gazicstan still rubbishes most 16valve engines unless its a YB (na of course as turbo's are cheating) or the XE (funny he has one for sale).

Looks like you've been snorting bubble arches again mate . I actually said that it will take a very expensive modern 16v install to beat a 2.2 Harris pinto in a race , which it would . I bought a 16v pinto because i got it for a good price , it has 70+ bhp more power than my old engine and it fits straight in using the same bits i had with my pinto ( unlike all the other 16v engines ) . Also the N.A. cossies always go well , Dean watt ran the same time as dave colleges 280 bhp spec 2.3 full monty mountune duratec on the same day , and dean was on street rubber as well . So there's life in the old pintos yet , in fact they're be kicking arse this summer as usuall !!!!!!!! GO ON THE DINOSAURS

[Retromotorsport]

at what point did i say there wasnt life in the pinto .. get down from your mountain Gaz and finish your car the way you want ..

[105Speed]

Gaz...

 

Dave was on street tyres too

[105Speed]

As for life in Pintos... of course there is life in Pintos.. for godsake people are still building quick Pre-Crossflows which have a good 6 years on the old Pintosaurus.

 

What gets everyones goat is the fact that you think there is nothing else in the world other than the Pinto and that they are the greatest engine ever produced and the only engine that could possibly be fitted to an Escort.

 

 

All everyone else is saying is.... YOU'RE WRONG !!

[105Speed]

i have never owned or been out in a cossie

 

 

Here's something to ponder Twink... I love Cosworths, I've had them all, 4x4 Sapphire, 2 Escort Cosworths, an RS500, 2 Three Doors..... and I think I will have them for many years to come because there is no bigger buzz than blowing the doors of Porches and the like with an old Sierra.

 

 

But I've got a Zetec in my Anglia... and have NO desire whatsoever to put a YB in the car at all....

 

Because I know, 350bhp in a Sierra is a right handful and in the wet its lethal, its not fun, its just dangerous.

 

 

If you want the car as a fast road car and a track car there is no point in having a car with an engine that over powers the chassis because you cant concentrate on just driving the car because you are always worried when is it going to bite you.

[Guest MK1gaz]

Gaz...

 

Dave was on street tyres too

I KNOW , i was just saying that Dean watt was pearched on his back panel using a 226 bhp N.A. cossie on carbs and street rubber in his rs2000 . That just shows that a top spec pro-built big money duratec engine isn't as unbeatable as all you traders would have the people believe , that's all

[Guest MK1gaz]

As for life in Pintos... of course there is life in Pintos.. for godsake people are still building quick Pre-Crossflows which have a good 6 years on the old Pintosaurus.

 

What gets everyones goat is the fact that you think there is nothing else in the world other than the Pinto and that they are the greatest engine ever produced and the only engine that could possibly be fitted to an Escort.

 

 

All everyone else is saying is.... YOU'RE WRONG !!

Errrrr what i actually said was ........you can't beat a pinto ( in the car and working ) with a modern 16v engine UNLESS you spend a shed load of cash . Even then pintos are VERY hard to beat . Hence Harris pintos etc kicking arse for years up the quarter mile and off the traffic lights . People have be brainwashed into thinking they can fit one of the lastest 16v motors from a ford focus / mondeo etc and rule the world , well bollox can they . They go like an old donkey after pots of cash for the conversion so will need expensive tuning work . So what i'm actually saying is if you what to go fast for less money , fit a tuned pinto as even a 180 bhp pinto is faster than most modern engines can handle . Also don't believe all the rolling road "peak" bhp numbers for these new 16v engines because it doesn't mean they are actually fast when fitted . A pinto can have less "peak" power than a modern 16v engine but still piss all over it in a race because it has a big fat power band with lots of grunt + torque instead of a peaking 2000 rpm of power at the top end

[MightySprocket]

Because I know, 350bhp in a Sierra is a right handful and in the wet its lethal, its not fun, its just dangerous.

 

Ill second that ! breaking traction at 80mph can be a worry

 

I also found that most quick buzzy hatches made the cossie look silly on shorter dashes coz the big blowers don't kick in, then your just driving a low compression pinto sierra

But..... like puddy said, just like 1000's of years ago, when the big bang happens it changes your world... and the shape of your face.... and re-arranges your inners.... and the colour of your passengers pants whooosh.... 400bhp tsssssshhh, another 400bhp tssssssshh smiles allround Lee

[Retromotorsport]

And V8's have been beating 4 pots up the 1/4 for years ... Gaz you really must ge.. oh i cant be bothered

[105Speed]

And V8's have been beating 4 pots up the 1/4 for years ... Gaz you really must ge.. oh i cant be bothered

 

C'mon Gary... dont give up now... we could actually beat him into submission...

[w p e]

are you chaps talking 2ltr pinto againts 2ltr 16v or 2.3pintos/ bored and stroked. cause not many people go this route with 16v engines. just a thought?

[Morley]

This is the best debate on here for a long time

 

[Retromotorsport]

And V8's have been beating 4 pots up the 1/4 for years ... Gaz you really must ge.. oh i cant be bothered

 

C'mon Gary... dont give up now... we could actually beat him into submission...

 

Neil i've thrown enough proof at Gaz in the real world ... Super sports 2000 cars etc .. the Pintos dead and buried , Monoposto .. 3 classes Pinto, Zetec and duratec .. all blueprinted engines and the Pinto is the slowest .

Even Formula Ford ... all the cars are equal in brakes tyres etc ..and are tested in the real world of competition .. ie corners, braking , accel and decell numerous times etc etc

 

Gaz will just come up with what happens on the strip in un-equal Escorts ... stripped out and lightweight cars .. highly mooded Pintos against £200 quid salvage yard Zetecs etc ..

 

This one beats that one that cost that much it costs a trillion zillion to get a Duratec to 280bhp (£8500 from Scholar including everything like a TB and ECU that works) etc etc etc ... and it only takes 5 minutes to get a YB NA installed and working in an escort (5 months now aint it Gaz)

 

So its a case of been there seen it read the blah blah and chossen to ignore most of Gazes wind ups unless he gives blatent wrong infor .. Like a Standard Zetec instal cost in 5K .. which we all know is bollox.

 

 

Like i said ... its a sunny day in Gazicstan where all the cars have to have 175/50/13's and Pintos

[Retromotorsport]

are you chaps talking 2ltr pinto againts 2ltr 16v or 2.3pintos/ bored and stroked. cause not many people go this route with 16v engines. just a thought?

 

Well done that man

[Guest MK1gaz]

 

 

Like i said ... its a sunny day in Gazicstan where all the cars have to have 175/50/13's and Pintos

and they will all still be in front of the modern engines which cost twice the price or more to get in the car and working !!!!!!!!! GO ON THE PINTOS

[Guest MK1gaz]

 

This one beats that one that cost that much it costs a trillion zillion to get a Duratec to 280bhp (£8500 from Scholar including everything like a TB and ECU that works) etc etc etc ... and it only takes 5 minutes to get a YB NA installed and working in an escort (5 months now aint it Gaz)

 

So its a case of been there seen it read the blah blah and chossen to ignore most of Gazes wind ups unless he gives blatent wrong infor .. Like a Standard Zetec instal cost in 5K .. which we all know is bollox.

I must just shoot ths post down in flames before i go out . 1= My N.A. cossie did fit in the car in less than 5 mins , bolt on pinto engine mounts then lower into standard escort x-member and that's it .......2= An £8500 280 bhp duratec on a crate ISN'T still £8500 by the time it's fitted in the car and working though . Also it won't be 280 bhp , more like 250 bhp and it will still have pintos , XE'S and N.A. cossies pushing it up the road ........3= A standard zetec install using scrap yard bits etc won't cost 5 grand BUT a pucker top notch install with throttle bodies , ecu mapping , custom exhaust , water rails , body mods , etc would be . I've NEVER said a zetec install would be £5000 anyway , I SAID a duratec install would be £5000 with all the nice bits to fit it easy . You could weld up all the bits yourself and get the hammer out but that's not what i was talking about

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[Retromotorsport]

So in other words FASTER than all the throttle bodied £5000+ zetec installs out there !!!!!!!!

 

Didnt you ?????

 

And a top notch instal using a standard engine ashely exhaust ecu and TBs is less than 5k ... has been for years ..

 

 

And if you acuse people of missquoting you.. read and quote properly yourself ..

 

I said " up and running (been 5 months now gaz ) "

 

Can we see your engine running .. no .. i thank you

 

And .. an engine costing 8.5 k still cost 8.5 k ... a na yb of 280 is gonna cost 10k without the fueling and ancilleries ..unlike the Scholar engines that come with fueling starter, alternator , sparks, ecu.

 

Stop quoting fitting cost as they are same for all engines ..