Admin Vista Posted March 20, 2007 Admin Report Posted March 20, 2007 Diazepam? I wanna go faster though
Admin Vista Posted March 20, 2007 Admin Report Posted March 20, 2007 at the front ? increase castor Thanks, but Can you explain to someone who thinks castors are under the living room couch
Retromotorsport Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 the castor angle is the point that a line drawn through the top mount and lower ball joint and lands infront or behind of the wheel contact patch. the steeper the angle the more self centering the wheel will have and the more straight line stability.
Guest MK1gaz Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 My mates 180 bhp Harris pinto goes 13.8 secs @ 97 mph on 175 mm wide street tyres with NO weight saving at all so full trim , steel panels , glass windows , etc . So you get a 180 bhp zetec and go beat it then . Ok mate... I'll see him at the lights... because I have a 180bhp Zetec in my Anglia. And its fully trimmed and its got glass all round and a steel boot and bonnet and doors and the tyres are filled with air not helium.... But if I beat his time then you will be whining about my 185mm tyres and my diff and my gearbox and then oh well... you've got all that Milton suspension on your car.... blah blah blah blah blah. If you can get in the 13's without gas , slicks , turbos , superchargers and taking the half car to bits to save weight then far play to you and your zetec engine . It won't foooookin happen in my lifetime though !!!!!!!
Guest MK1gaz Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 Well it just cracks me up when all the traders selling the modern stuff harp on about the pintos being rubbish . They must be flipping blind as well as stupid to have not noticed all the proper fast ones out there kicking arse every meet . I'm not imaging it then am i ? You know , the 2 x mk1 escorts running 11's without gas , turbos , 2 foot wide tubbed rear ends , space frames , ladder bars , etc , etc . This is the thing Gaz .. the only one doing any slating of any engine here is you..yes you .. Others just state facts as you do sometime,,, you shoot yourself in the head let alone in the foot by saying the 1/4 mile is a true measure of perfomance and then go and say that the pintos run 11's against cars with more gip and more power... so how is the 1/4 a accurate measure . What the 1/4 shows isthe difference between a good set up and a bad one .. someone with huge grip and power should beat the car with less grip and less power, but as we have seen ... lots of engines that have the same power run different times ... and here i am talking about pintos. They are probably the most common engine to be thrown down the strip and the times range all over the place. The other thing to consider and this is why i keep talking about you and your fixation on the 1/4's is that the vast majority of people out there will spend maybe 3 miles a year on the 1/4 mile and 3000 miles on the road .. and on the road drivability makes a good car, the torque of a good pinto makes a nice car, but on the same hand the modern engines prouduce nice drives too.. and generally cost less bhp for bhp than the pinto. well all my mates 180+ bhp pintos all drive nice on the road , all tick over nice , all last ages and all didn't cost a fortune either . They also have no grip , no fancy drag racing set ups , only leaf springs and normal uprated rear shocks . Yet they really do shift in a race as proven by the quarter mile time and terminal speed at santa pod etc . There's no point having an expensive to fit and get working zetec or duratec if a pinto is as fast is there ? You'll only beat one if you spend a fortune that's all i'm trying to point out . It's fine fitting a standard zetec / duratec etc as they will go ok but when/if you tune it later on your not gaining anything over the 1970's motors
Twinkle Posted March 20, 2007 Author Report Posted March 20, 2007 sooo gaz what should i do? i have a choice of engines, st170 or 2.1 pinto, both will be running nos i will also have two shells a mk1 and a mk2, which engine in which car? also one will be stripped out and one would be full interior including kids seats for my daily drive, which combination would you use for each type of car?
emu Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 sooo gaz what should i do? i have a choice of engines, st170 or 2.1 pinto, both will be running nos i will also have two shells a mk1 and a mk2, which engine in which car? also one will be stripped out and one would be full interior including kids seats for my daily drive, which combination would you use for each type of car? It makes perfect sense to me. Which shell is heaviest (might be worth getting hold of a four door here, bit more ballast)? ok, now put all the trim back in it. make sure its the heaviest option, none of this lightweight popular plus cardboard and vinyl here please, we want to see velour and deep pile carpet!!!! Stick on a set of budget 155/13's, all tires grip the same anyway so anymore than that is a waste. If you really must have wide low profile tyres then 175/70/13's are just about acceptable. Now bolt in the pinto and go clean up against all the top fuellers
Guest MK1gaz Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 sooo gaz what should i do? i have a choice of engines, st170 or 2.1 pinto, both will be running nos i will also have two shells a mk1 and a mk2, which engine in which car? also one will be stripped out and one would be full interior including kids seats for my daily drive, which combination would you use for each type of car? Aaaaaah now let me see mr twinkle If using a mk1 or mk2 escort for a daily runner then i would use the mk2 because the bodywork is cheaper to replace when the "school run mums" crash into it down at the school + at Tescos !!!!!!! . Put interior in the mk2 daily smoker and the standard st170 motor if you must though i'd sell it and get 2 pintos myself !!!!!!! . Put the pinto in the race mk1 without interior though , has anyone ever seen a fast zetec yet then because we haven't !!!!!
Retromotorsport Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Just one example of where the Modern Ford engines beat the Pinto in identical vehicals ... The important wording here is " the next rung up" http://www.sports2000-srcc.com/proseries/engine.cfm And when reading that ... remember that includes everything to run the engine from the dry sump ... to the ECU for the TB's ... just add up those parts for a Pinto... and then add the work to get the pinto to that power.. Seriously these Duratec cars are lapping the pintos in the real world... And also notice the engine is standard ... nothing internally is changed , no cams no head work no overbores to get the capacity up. its as it has been pulled out of the mondeo... standard ... £200 salvage or £1275 for a brand spanking new engine So for 4-5 k you have a fuel injected standard engine, which produce 197bhp 164ft/lb ... and to fit it in an escort .... a set of mounts, a bellhousing and a water rail from RETROFORD ... thats an engine thats good for 100,000 miles or more as its stanard, not stressed .. no thin walls, no lumpy cams (130ft/lb @2000rpm) And this post ... well its just to show the other side of the coin.. Now can someone add this up for me .. Pinto engine totally rebuilt to produce itro 190bhp inlet manifold throttle bodies..... linkage...............(these 3 can be replaced with new carbs and a£300 dizzy) management...... drysump (excluding tank and lines) Steel flywheel uprated clutch dyno run and ready to go Just as a comparison .. just for fun
Admin Vista Posted March 21, 2007 Admin Report Posted March 21, 2007 Now can someone add this up for me .. Pinto engine totally rebuilt to produce itro 190bhp inlet manifold throttle bodies..... linkage...............(these 3 can be replaced with new carbs and a£300 dizzy) management...... drysump (excluding tank and lines) Steel flywheel uprated clutch dyno run and ready to go Just as a comparison .. just for fun My Pinto engine is up around there, but yet to be fully set up on the RR (cheaper than dyno I must add) Spec differences are: - It has 45's not TB, Not dry sump RR not dyno (still to be done) I reckon it owes me in excess of £4.5k by the time all the niff naff and trivia are accounted for. And it's just been done so I have the gaping hole in my wallet to prove it
Guest MK1gaz Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 You can build a 180-200+ bhp pinto for less than a standard duratec install will cost and IT WILL BE MUCH FASTER than a standard duratec by miles . If however you use your Escort for mini-cabbing etc then by all means use a standard modern £5000 engine install with throttle bodies etc to ferry your fares from A to B .
105Speed Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 I can only liken Gaz to a Jehovahs Witness... no matter what anyone says, no matter how abusive, he just smiles and says... 'Can I interest you in a Pinto..... the pinto loves you... we are all the pintos children and the Great Pinto sent his son 16v Pinto to save us all so one day a duratec may live... praise be the pinto.... all smile to the quarter mile' Well Gaz.... even if we all think you are a complete front bum... jesus loves you....
Posse Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 I Gaz to a Jehovah's Witness... lol i didn't see the accident
Cookie Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 I can only liken Gaz to a Jehovahs Witness... no matter what anyone says, no matter how abusive, he just smiles and says... 'Can I interest you in a Pinto..... the pinto loves you... we are all the pintos children and the Great Pinto sent his son 16v Pinto to save us all so one day a duratec may live... praise be the pinto.... all smile to the quarter mile' Well Gaz.... even if we all think you are a complete front bum... jesus loves you....
Wessie Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 I can only liken Gaz to a Jehovahs Witness... no matter what anyone says, no matter how abusive, he just smiles and says... 'Can I interest you in a Pinto..... the pinto loves you... we are all the pintos children and the Great Pinto sent his son 16v Pinto to save us all so one day a duratec may live... praise be the pinto.... all smile to the quarter mile' Well Gaz.... even if we all think you are a complete front bum... jesus loves you.... FPMSL
Gareth Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 I can only liken Gaz to a Jehovahs Witness... no matter what anyone says, no matter how abusive, he just smiles and says... 'Can I interest you in a Pinto..... the pinto loves you... we are all the pintos children and the Great Pinto sent his son 16v Pinto to save us all so one day a duratec may live... praise be the pinto.... all smile to the quarter mile' Well Gaz.... even if we all think you are a complete front bum... jesus loves you.... :lol: So that's why my Mum's knelt in front of my Capri every Sunday mornin
Twinkle Posted March 21, 2007 Author Report Posted March 21, 2007 I can only liken Gaz to a Jehovahs Witness... no matter what anyone says, no matter how abusive, he just smiles and says... 'Can I interest you in a Pinto..... the pinto loves you... we are all the pintos children and the Great Pinto sent his son 16v Pinto to save us all so one day a duratec may live... praise be the pinto.... all smile to the quarter mile' Well Gaz.... even if we all think you are a complete front bum... jesus loves you.... :lol: So that's why my Mum's knelt in front of my Capri every Sunday mornin is your mum fit?
Admin Vista Posted March 21, 2007 Admin Report Posted March 21, 2007 You can build a 180-200+ bhp pinto for less than a standard duratec install will cost and IT WILL BE MUCH FASTER than a standard duratec by miles . If however you use your Escort for mini-cabbing etc then by all means use a standard modern £5000 engine install with throttle bodies etc to ferry your fares from A to B . What utter tish and piffle, my install is a Pinto and did cost nearly £5k to get to the level of spec it is. Besides a standard Duratec install doesn't cost £5k and by the time you've spent the difference on uprating the Duratec you're way of of the pintos league Damn, I'm NOT going to be drawn into this! Bored now
Guest MK1gaz Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 It depends on who or which way you build an engine to the desired power level that determines the cost of it . You can build a 180 bhp pinto cheap with 2.8 V6 pistons and standard rods etc or you can do it with steel rods and forged pistons etc . Both the same power but one costs twice as much and is stronger . A standard duratec install needs lots of expensive conversion parts which unless you can make them yourself you'll have to buy for big money . Then it doesn't have a dizzy so you really need full engine management which alone is £2500 . It really needs a dry sump set up as well so the cost is very high for the puny power it makes as standard . Plus it's made of chocolate so will explode after 5 mins !!!!!!!
Retromotorsport Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Ohh its really laughable Gaz... for F*** sake read the link... look at the parts included and then tell me they need expensive bits... OPEN YOUR EYES
Retromotorsport Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 1Inlet manifold + fasteners 4Throttle bodies, 45mm parallel + fasteners, O-rings 1Throttle body lever kit 1Fuel rail, dash 6 JIC fittings (exch. o.e. fuel rail) 4Fuel injector, high flow 1Fuel pressure regulator, dash 6 JIC fittings 1ECU, MBE 967E (Sports 2000 sealed unit) 1Throttle pot. 1Barrometric press. sensor 1Air temperature sensor 1Engine wiring harness 1Water pump drive kit 1Dry sump kit, incl. 3-stage pump, al. sump pan, pulley?s and hose fittings 1Steel flywheel, light weight, integral ring gear 6Flywheel bolts, race spec. 1Crank pulley/damper bolt 1Crank spigot brg. 1Clutch cover, 8.5in., uprated 1Clutch plate 8.5in., 1in. x 23 spline, uprated 6Clutch cover bolts 1Exhaust manifold gasket 6Exhaust manifold nuts 1EGR valve blanking plate + fasteners 1Blanking plug kit All for Total kit price.................£2762.00 + vat Add a brand new engine To order your base engine (2007 price £1,275):-from Mountune And you have a dyno run 197bhp engine that needs a water rail, and mounts and bellhousing.. and thats it ...
4parajon Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 I can only liken Gaz to a Jehovahs Witness... no matter what anyone says, no matter how abusive, he just smiles and says... 'Can I interest you in a Pinto..... the pinto loves you... we are all the pintos children and the Great Pinto sent his son 16v Pinto to save us all so one day a duratec may live... praise be the pinto.... all smile to the quarter mile' Well Gaz.... even if we all think you are a complete front bum... jesus loves you.... That is one of the funniest things Ive ever read
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