after reading retro ford

[105Speed]

Gaz

 

Daves 2.3 Duratec, Mountunes 280bhp spec made 256bhp on its first run and set up out of the box.

 

Since then there has been development in the exhaust manifold which will see more power released so when it goes to be mapped again with the new manifold on we'll see how close to the 280bhp he gets. Bet it wont be far away.

 

And how much would it cost to build a 280bhp Pinto I wonder ?

 

You quote all these people who are running big power and quick times but I bet their engines werent cheap.

 

 

This is almost like me saying Toby Kents Pre-Crossflow is 200bhp and a he runs low 13's therefore the Pre-Crossflow is better than the Crossflow motors and Zetecs etc etc etc

 

Well a Jet Car beats a Pinto every time.....

[tim]

but who fookin cares it 1/4 mile in a stright line,surley the reason why we all love escort,anglia,tina and capri is the fact you can get sideways and guess what you can get sideways with a £20 1300 xflow

[Wessie]

but who fookin cares it 1/4 mile in a stright line,surley the reason why we all love escort,anglia,tina and capri is the fact you can get sideways and guess what you can get sideways with a £20 1300 xflow

 

[Retromotorsport]

but who fookin cares it 1/4 mile in a stright line,surley the reason why we all love escort,anglia,tina and capri is the fact you can get sideways and guess what you can get sideways with a £20 1300 xflow

 

Gaz is into his 1/4 miles Tim.. others like corners, we cant knock him for doing what he likes .. but we can knock him for telling people not to do what they want and telling them slight mistruths .

 

some things to remember about this thread .....

 

It was started by Twinkle about putting a YBT in his car.

 

There where answers that where about that.

then there was the dont do it ..

then there was the ....Na is better

then there was the ....pinto is king and 16valvers are shite

then there was the ... unless they are Na Yb's or Xe's

then there was the.....its going cost a fortune to fit any other 16valve engine unless it a pinto 16valve

 

 

Thats the beauty of forums .. the freedom of speach and the freedom of dismissing miss-information and absorbing correct facts and informed opinions.

 

At the end of the day you will find that people do what they want to there cars ... and they way they want to do it ... be that right or wrong, they will always do it THEIR way.

 

The facts remain that a mildly tuned Cossie turbo is easy to fit and run.. drives like a normal car untill you really push the loud pedal, can trickle along off boost round tesco's unlike a cammed to the hilt screaming Na cossie of the same power.

 

Hopefully people will realise that the above statement is fact .. and that any form of engine modification is cheating. Be that turbo or super charging or No2 or fitting a cam or fitting a flowed head or fitting a steel crank to 9k ... its all engine mods at the end of the day .. and a 200 bhp cossie turbo is cheaper than a NA 200bhp cossie.

 

Lee .. fit the cossie ... if you dont like it you can sell it on and fit a Pinto .. or an XE or single cylinder Lister Petter if you want ... its your car

[Jay_harrier]

Horses for courses, power means nothing, power to weight or torque to weight does. And it has to be usable power.

 

My bike when it was full house tune made 159 brake at the rear wheel without the ram effect of a pressurised airbox, woohoo great! - not really, it stepped from 119 bhp at 9400 to 148 and ran dry at 11800. Completely unusable, you had to enter a corner either a gear higher or lower to control the wheel spin.

 

The YBT/XE/atmos debate will run & run depending on which way you swing, I'd go Warrior myself with an all steel bottom end, but until I can afford to it'll be YBT.

[sambo]

Great reading this! here's my view as to what engine he should go for.

 

OSF's are, for me (not in any order) ....25% looks, 25% speed, 25% noise and 25% fun (sideways action)

Thats why i love them, if i put a YBT in my mk1, obviously it will be scary quick and awesome fun but i will lose out on the noise percentage, if i say for instance arch my car and put 10" wide rims on the back, it take more power to get the arse out, so i am sacrifising fun for looks. If i fit a n/a cossie or a big power pinto then i get a really good compromise! Just do what the hell you fancy mate, and work out the noise/fun/looks ratio that you want! Or if you can afford it do it all!!!

 

Carbs get my vote every time though.

[Guest MK1gaz]

So in other words FASTER than all the throttle bodied £5000+ zetec installs out there !!!!!!!!

 

Didnt you ?????

 

And a top notch instal using a standard engine ashely exhaust ecu and TBs is less than 5k ... has been for years ..

 

 

And if you acuse people of missquoting you.. read and quote properly yourself ..

 

I said " up and running (been 5 months now gaz ) "

 

Can we see your engine running .. no .. i thank you

 

And .. an engine costing 8.5 k still cost 8.5 k ... a na yb of 280 is gonna cost 10k without the fueling and ancilleries ..unlike the Scholar engines that come with fueling starter, alternator , sparks, ecu.

 

Stop quoting fitting cost as they are same for all engines ..

A top notch zetec /duratec install with throttle bodies and all the pucker install parts to bolt it all in without making your own bits will be £5000 . £5000 don't go far these days if buying all the best new parts etc , you could do it cheaper making all the bits yourself and visiting the scap yard but i've already said that . Also if i had the time and the money and didn't have to wait months for parts that then turn up wrong THEN i could build my car in a flipping week !!!!!!!!! A £8500 duratec on a crate will be MUCH more expensive to fit in an escort because THEY DON'T BLOODY FIT DO THEY ? You need a load of extra expensive bits to do that . I could get a 280 bhp N.A. cossie for £8500 no sweat , and it would piss over any duratec you could buy for £15,000 or less !!!!!!!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

Gaz is into his 1/4 miles Tim.. others like corners, we cant knock him for doing what he likes .. but we can knock him for telling people not to do what they want and telling them slight mistruths .

............................................................... I'm not into 1/4 mile racing though am i ? I'VE GOT A ROAD CAR , it's usless for quarter miles because it's heavy , runs on 175/50/13 road rubber and has no gas or trailer . If i was into drag racing then it would be MUCH faster than it is . I just do a few quarter miles because it's fun , cheap and i want to know if my cars fast or slow at accelerating . All i'm saying is that if all these super dooper modern engines are so bloody brilliant why are they no faster than the 1970's engines then ?

[Guest MK1gaz]

Gaz

 

Daves 2.3 Duratec, Mountunes 280bhp spec made 256bhp on its first run and set up out of the box.

 

Since then there has been development in the exhaust manifold which will see more power released so when it goes to be mapped again with the new manifold on we'll see how close to the 280bhp he gets. Bet it wont be far away.

 

And how much would it cost to build a 280bhp Pinto I wonder ?

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I Know that daves car is the bollox and his mountune engine is the bollox but don't get me wrong , all i'm saying is that it shouldn't have pintos and XE's etc perched on it's back panel at the end of the drag strip then , should it ? If duratecs with 280 bhp really do have 280 bhp then they should be untouchable compared to the 200-230 bhp engines that were running on the same day , also it's terminal speed should be really high but if i remember it was approx 100-105 mph

[Retromotorsport]

Gazmk1 says

"All i'm saying is that if all these super dooper modern engines are so bloody brilliant why are they no faster than the 1970's engines then ?"

 

 

they are on most racetrack in Formula Fords and Monopostos and TCars and countless other championships ... take the blinkers of gaz ..

 

And dont mention the 1/4 mile then so often

[Vista]

:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:

 

 

 

Drive em, enjoy em and who cares who's got what engine / trick bits / squillions of bhp / NOS / 4 link / etc etc etc

 

Each to their own, and my own is all about the OSF experience without the need for "this is better" or "that is better" Especially when it goes on for 9 pages.

[Rick]

:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:

 

 

 

Drive em, enjoy em and who cares who's got what engine / trick bits / squillions of bhp / NOS / 4 link / etc etc etc

 

Each to their own, and my own is all about the OSF experience without the need for "this is better" or "that is better" Especially when it goes on for 9 pages.

[Retromotorsport]

Stop clicking in the " read first unread post" then... its a disscussion forum, or it was when i last looked

[Vista]

I know it's a discussion forum mate and I'd follow it with interest if any of you were making any new points. Nor am I questioning the validity of any of the points being raised, but as far as I can see the same thing is being said again and again by all three main parties.

[RETRO_AL]

welcome to gazikstan its like the never ending story but worse

[w p e]

each to there own chaps & gals. being one of the first to put a atmo cossy in my old blue box many years ago was purely cos i had it and no one had done it in a anglia. but having one dosent mean i wouldnt use another type of engine either new skool or old. every one has the own prefrence be it new or old. so now im gonna pull the engine out and put the new crank and rods in. give me self something to do for 1/2 hour before a

[Posse]

love it lol go on gaz the only thing that wins gaz is having deep pockets

[puddy]

love it lol go on gaz the only thing that wins gaz is having deep pockets

 

Darren ,can we have a new forum ?

 

"Gaz and gary's technical discussion forum"

 

I suspect there will only be one thread ............................

 

puddy

[Guest MK1gaz]

As retro rightly says what's the point of having a forum if your only allowed to talk about rust + wheels !!!!!!!!! It's much better discussing the fact that the old engines go just as well as the new ones in a race of the traffic lights . If Waynes fitting a 2.3 crank in his Atmo cossie anglebox ( and i really hope he is ) then you will have a benchmark for performance to compare a 2.3 duratec with . Also there's a mk2 escort with a 280 bhp atmo cossie engine in it being built at present in the surrey area so we'll also see how this performs next to the 2.3 duratecs . I'll be very surpised if the modern engines can beat the older ones myself , but if they do then far play and it's get your £15,000 out time !!!!!!!!!

[w p e]

have got one but not to sure weather to use it. the old bucket goes alright as it is or was. i am pulling it apart as i damaged it 3years ago at pod and aint fixed it yet. [bent crank and spun a shell] thats what happens when you put it back in 1st from second at 9 large when aiming for 3rd ooooooops

[105Speed]

... take the blinkers of gaz ..

 

And dont mention the 1/4 mile then so often

 

 

Gary... he has got the blinkers off... the only problem is, Gazicstan is 5 miles off the coast of Reality so he cant see that the rest of the world has moved on and there are other alternatives to the good old Pintosaurus......

 

[alladdin]

it certainly can be a bore, but when people post information that is inacurate then i for one am glad that others are willing to correct it.

2 points in question.

a time / terminal speed down the 1/4 mile is not a usefull tool to judge 2 (or any other no) of engines by unless they are in the very same unchanged car (like an upgrade.) ref the gaz challenge!

 

a "top notch" zetec install is around 2 grand with all new bits. see retro ford site.

sump 170, water 200, mounts 70, altern. kit 70, ecu, t/b's etc 1400 , inlet 50.

ashley 170, drill flywheel local 30, anything else worth counting ?

and thats with a new t/b setup !

[Posse]

love it lol go on gaz the only thing that wins gaz is having deep pockets

 

Darren ,can we have a new forum ?

 

"Gaz and gary's technical discussion forum"

 

I suspect there will only be one thread ............................

 

puddy

 

great idea

[Arched Escy]

it certainly can be a bore, but when people post information that is inacurate then i for one am glad that others are willing to correct it.

2 points in question.

a time / terminal speed down the 1/4 mile is not a usefull tool to judge 2 (or any other no) of engines by unless they are in the very same unchanged car (like an upgrade.) ref the gaz challenge!

 

a "top notch" zetec install is around 2 grand with all new bits. see retro ford site.

sump 170, water 200, mounts 70, altern. kit 70, ecu, t/b's etc 1400 , inlet 50.

ashley 170, drill flywheel local 30, anything else worth counting ?

and thats with a new t/b setup !

Brake upgrades,suspension and maybe roll cage...

[alladdin]

it certainly can be a bore, but when people post information that is inacurate then i for one am glad that others are willing to correct it.

2 points in question.

a time / terminal speed down the 1/4 mile is not a usefull tool to judge 2 (or any other no) of engines by unless they are in the very same unchanged car (like an upgrade.) ref the gaz challenge!

 

a "top notch" zetec install is around 2 grand with all new bits. see retro ford site.

sump 170, water 200, mounts 70, altern. kit 70, ecu, t/b's etc 1400 , inlet 50.

ashley 170, drill flywheel local 30, anything else worth counting ?

and thats with a new t/b setup !

Brake upgrades,suspension and maybe roll cage...

 

thats nothing to do with fitting an engine. if gaz did it why would he upgrade his 6 pot setup ? and his atmo cossy didnt make him cage it ?

(only using my mate gaz as its a good example )