so how the hell are you making 200bhp with a pinto?

[Supercharged Nat]

seen a couple of post with guys and their escorts making over 200 brake, but what engines and specs are they? and roughyl how much does it cost to build one of these monsters?

 

ta.

[DEP]

All the power is in the head mate, but i think you will be lucky if any of them will divulge their secrets

[c1arke]

well i thought it was all cossey bottom end and a shit hot head?

[Posse]

Its all in the head and the engine builder

[Fiesta Steve]

Its all in the head of the engine builder

[Col-ashtonmobile]

, but i think you will be lucky if any of them will divulge their secrets

 

[Supercharged Nat]

well that was a lot of help, thanks guys! lol. ok so these guys are doing sh!t hot port jobs and some clever cams and buckets for valves? are they using cossy heads or 8 valves? i pretty much guessed cossy bottom ends, although really i think you only need those if your revving mega speeds.. thinking about it youd need those speeds to get to 200 brake in n/a form..

 

hmmm

[oliwally]

http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/PINTO.htm

 

Read this,should give you an idea as to whats involved in building a big power pinto

[mossy]

pinto and cossy use the same bottom end block....just a different head

[Jeff HPE Motorsport]

pinto and cossy use the same bottom end block....just a different head

 

Nearly right..!! The Cossy bottom end is the same block but the pinto uses a cast iron crank & rods, unlike the the cossy that has a cast steel crank & rods.

The 2.0 pinto`s in question are 8 valve heads & not the twin cam 16v variety.

 

I hope that clears up a few points for you my friend..

 

 

 

Jeff Harris..

[mossy]

pinto and cossy use the same bottom end block....just a different head

 

Nearly right..!! The Cossy bottom end is the same block but the pinto uses a cast iron crank & rods, unlike the the cossy that has a cast steel crank & rods.

The 2.0 pinto`s in question are 8 valve heads & not the twin cam 16v variety.

 

I hope that clears up a few points for you my friend..

 

 

 

Jeff Harris..

 

never knew...that! cheers my friend!

[Col-ashtonmobile]

pinto and cossy use the same bottom end block....just a different head

 

Nearly right..!! The Cossy bottom end is the same block but the pinto uses a cast iron crank & rods, unlike the the cossy that has a cast steel crank & rods.

The 2.0 pinto`s in question are 8 valve heads & not the twin cam 16v variety.

 

I hope that clears up a few points for you my friend..

 

 

 

Jeff Harris..

 

you not disclosing too much either eh jeff

[bmxdave]

I mean fair enough, everyone would like to build a hot pinto themselfes, but if these guys told of their secrets, then theyd have no customers. Theyve put the research in.

[Supercharged Nat]

yeah i get that, i wouldnt expect them to just tell the world what they do/ use etc.

 

just wanted to know the basics, like block/head combos etc. managed to find it out in the end.

 

thanks guys, and good on ya for building the monster motors!

[Darran]

Standard bottom end out of a sierra is fine 205 block.

 

No need for cossy crank,its very heavy anyway.

 

Cossy rods on a 2.1 or 2.3 with steel crank.

 

diesel rods on a 2.2

 

forged pistons

 

Very wild cam,race head

 

Twin 50s or 48s

 

Bosch dizzy is fine.

 

Only problem is there is only a handfull of engine builders that can get 200bhp++ out of a pinto.

 

And they all have there own little ways of that extra bhp

 

Expect to spend £4k upwards

[Jeff HPE Motorsport]

pinto and cossy use the same bottom end block....just a different head

 

Nearly right..!! The Cossy bottom end is the same block but the pinto uses a cast iron crank & rods, unlike the the cossy that has a cast steel crank & rods.

The 2.0 pinto`s in question are 8 valve heads & not the twin cam 16v variety.

 

I hope that clears up a few points for you my friend..

 

 

 

Jeff Harris..

 

you not disclosing too much either eh jeff

 

Well since you asked Colin, Grinding, Boring,lightning & balancing, big valve head, port & polishing, webbers or dellortos, 40s,45s,50s,55s, camshaft, vernier, spray bar, jack wheel, flywheel, clutch, Pintos, crossflows, zetec, duratec, ybs, bdas, bdgs, bdxs. I think i`ve said quite enough.

 

 

Jeff Harris...

[Conor]

There was an article in Street Machine mag many years ago about breaking the 200BHP boundary on the pinto. Most of it was down to the inlet port shape. What you wanted in effect was an inlet port with a cross section shaped like an apple would look cut in half. Apparently it sucked in the air like a good un - I suppose it'd basically create two vortexes per port that's increase the density of the air coming in.

[chris escort mk2]

[Jay_harrier]

Its the same for every engine, the right head, port shape, combustion chamber shape and size, very careful setup of cam & followers using the right bits + revs.

 

There's a theory out there that Pintos respond well to cams with high lift but relatively small overlap - not tested this though as I can't see how it'll work beyond a certain point.

 

The other point to think on is the power and torque curve, an engine that does nothing until 6k is going to be hard work compared with one that has a lower maximum figure but more area under the curves.

[joker]

rc1 cam shaft or rc31 kent cam mate could push enough,but head work is v important and if you like miracles go for a bottle of gas in case of emergency push the button.

[Messenjah]

so is a harris head or an ashton head for a 200bhp pinto gonna be much different to the top offering from say vulcan or burton ?

[Slik 50]

Nat mate, what sort of power do you run with that eaton supercharger fitted?

I have a pinto lined up and a eaton charger waiting pationtly in the basement

Did you find a diffrence with it or not?

[jimmyesh]

It's an Overhead-cam 2-litre at the end of the day so 200bhp isn't exactly a miracle figure, it's just quite expensive!!

[Mk2Jo]

Its all in the head of the engine builder

 

[Quarterless]

Have you read David Vizards books? Especially "How to Modify Ford S.O.H.C. Engines". It covers tons on port shape in Pinto heads.