d_bizzle Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 Hi folks. Hoping I can draw on your massive pool of expertise... I bought this a few weeks ago - http://www.oldskoolford.co.uk/phpBB2/vi ... hp?t=67274 Seemed to be really good, and apparently the 1600 crossflow had only been rebuilt 22,000 miles previously. So, this morning I took it to the legendary Morley's in Redhill to enquire about a slight oil leak/smokiness issue and they've just told me that the engine is basically knackered. So - what can I or should I put in it instead? Bearing in mind that it'll be pretty expensive to rebuild the engine and I might as well upgrade if I'm going to have to spend the money anyway, what will feasibly fit? The only stumbling block is that I spent pretty much every penny I had buying this car, hoping that my day-to-day Honda could be sold to finance it (although that's just dramatically failed its MOT and is essentially scrap)... so the whole thing has to be done on an absolute shoestring, which rules out YBs or anything crazy! Also, I'm a total dunce with mechanical stuff and will end up having to pay someone to do the work for me as I'll just cock it up. Know good places near Redhill that would do this? What do we reckon? If I go the Savage route, can I get a V6 & box for reasonable money and are they easy to fit? Will a Pinto go in easily if that works out cheaper? I just need to get it working for not too much cash, if possible!
bomber1 Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 cheapest way is to get a good 1600 x-flow to replace it. escort tec would be a good start any more than that will cost big on conversion parts or fabrication time
cortinaman Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 I'd go with what Jason said - the cheapest route has got to be a running 1600 x-flow - you've got all the bits on your current engine to drop any 1600 x-flow from an escort into the 'tina - an escort engine is likely to be more common than one from a 'tina. Good looking car btw
pauln Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 Hang on, crossflows go on for ages in various states of knackeredness. Does it feel ok to drive, is the oil pressure light out or oil pressure on the gauge (after starting), any nasty noises?. Just get insurance with recovery thrown in and keep driving. When you need to change the engine make sure you save the sump, pick up, dipstick and timing gear cover with the dipstick hole in it. No chance the honda engine is suitable? see loads of options. Great motor by the way .
Supercharged Nat Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 yeah, how does some oil leaking basically mean the engine is knakered?? i think you need to get a serious indepth explaination of whats wrong with it- with proof. Explain to us whats wrong with it- in your own words, not what the garage has told you...
FredTransit Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 Hang on, crossflows go on for ages in various states of knackeredness. Does it feel ok to drive, is the oil pressure light out or oil pressure on the gauge (after starting), any nasty noises?. Just get insurance with recovery thrown in and keep driving. When you need to change the engine make sure you save the sump, pick up, dipstick and timing gear cover with the dipstick hole in it. No chance the honda engine is suitable? see loads of options. Great motor by the way . I thought that, well nearly cos I am no expert on crossflows. How knackered is knackered? Knocking, smoking, rattling bits missing? I would be suprised it's passed hope if it really was rebuilt 22,000 miles ago. As for oil leaks, I think there was a little bloke in the factory that used to fit them to Fords before they left for the dealership.
Admin Vista Posted February 18, 2008 Admin Report Posted February 18, 2008 Echo all the above comments, Old skool engines can run for a long time when modern lumps would be scrap iron. Sounds like you need a 2nd opinion or better description of what's actually wrong. Car looks very cool especially the Leopard skin head lining You shooting an adult movie in there
d_bizzle Posted February 18, 2008 Author Report Posted February 18, 2008 Well, I trust what the garage say because I've used them before and they've always been good to me! Nevertheless, I'm a comparative classic Ford novice so if the engine can keep going then that's good news... Going to have a good chat with the garage tomorrow and get their advice, find out exactly what's wrong with it etc. Basically, I assumed it was just seeping from the rocker cover gasket - every time it was parked up there'd be a little puddle of oil underneath, and as soon as the engine's warm you get comedy smoke appearing from under the bonnet (which I assumed was just the seeping oil burning off the hot block - but I could be wrong, I have been many times before!). It gives a big puff of smoke when you start it but then seems to run reasonably cleanly (apart from the under-bonnet smoke, obviously) and I can't hear any rattles or knocks... but maybe I'm not listening out for the right thing. I'm starting to doubt whether the guy I bought it from was being totally honest about the rebuild - I emailed him asking if he could tell me any details and he just gave me a one-word answer: 'no'. Charming! I've had a look on the Escort Tec website and they say they have 1600 x-flows starting at £100 - does anyone know where they're based...? Or roughly what it'd cost to get one swapped in? pauln - nice idea about dropping the Honda lump in, but I think that could turn into a nightmare!! Be unique though...
Twinkle Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 escortec have a room on here m8, pop in there and send darren a pm they would also fit it for you as well what oil are you running it on?
d_bizzle Posted February 18, 2008 Author Report Posted February 18, 2008 what oil are you running it on? Christ knows. Only recently bought it and haven't had much time to play with it! Literally driven it from Solihull down to Redhill, a day out to east Kent, a few blasts around the country lanes and then goodnight Vienna. Maybe starting from scratch with a new engine will help cure my massive ignorance and give me a closer affinity with the car...!
Twinkle Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 before you do anything give it a service change that rocker cover gasket and put a decent oil in, most on here use valvoline racing, 20/50. on my twin cam it smoked with any oil other than that, even after a rebuild and i have heard similar from other people too
escort21 Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 Sounds like you need a new rocker cover gasket, also sounds like the engine is a high milage one, i assume the smoke comes from the filler cap?...if so its a blocked breather or worn bores. I had a trillion mile xflow and it used to smoke like it was on fire but it never let me down ...and you don't need an emissions check on the mot
w p e Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 were in croydon 15mins from you why not pop down with the car for a second opinion no ties. the numbers on the banner
johnny_h Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 If you decide to rebuild the engine, as long as you don't need any outside engineering work done ie: crank grinding etc new bearings and rings can be bought for relative peanuts from LCP keeping a rebuild cost down.
hermybee Posted February 18, 2008 Report Posted February 18, 2008 cross flow all the way! get one fitted for you. if you wanna learn about it tho, rebuild your old engine yourself using a haynes manual or somit
toad650 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Posted February 19, 2008 I'm just outside staines if you want a hand with a service n stuff. I'll have a look n stuff n teach you what i can if you want. Just give me a yell
zetecmk2 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Posted February 19, 2008 bring it to the wingspan meet tonight(gatwick) there will be loads of ears to listen to it!!! only a 10 minute drive!!
pauln Posted February 19, 2008 Report Posted February 19, 2008 bring it to the wingspan meet tonight(gatwick) there will be loads of ears to listen to it!!! only a 10 minute drive!! No trying to sell him a crankshaft Glen.
zetecmk2 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Posted February 19, 2008 and no trying to give him dead engines!!!
Toby Posted February 19, 2008 Report Posted February 19, 2008 bring it to the wingspan meet tonight(gatwick) there will be loads of ears to listen to it!!! only a 10 minute drive!! No trying to sell him a crankshaft Glen.
zetecmk2 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Posted February 19, 2008 not new but with a bit of welding....... ran ok until the last time i used it...cheap could get you out of trouble, offers
Mr Sam Posted February 19, 2008 Report Posted February 19, 2008 slap a 1300 in there to get you going
zetecmk2 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Posted February 19, 2008 slap a 1300 in there to get you going dont listen!!!
Toby Posted February 20, 2008 Report Posted February 20, 2008 slap a 1300 in there to get you going dont listen!!! Yeah - no - buy the crank!! One carefull owner, low milage!! Honest!! Willing to negotiate!
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