Has the "Cossie" had its day?

[Sir-Cato]

You can fit a std cossie on a car for about 3.5K. Thats 220bhp fitted. Steel internals, proven tuning mods to come later. On a factory ECU.

 

£3500 for 220bhp?

 

230-240bhp is possible for £1500

 

320ish bhp is possible for around £3000

 

 

You can keep on wasting your money on shite cosworths.

 

240BHP for £1500 !! Tell me where, and i'll bloody go and get one!!

 

Surely the cylinder head to achieve the amount of airflow with the cams will be near that mate!?!?!

 

Is that on carbs??? 48's?.... thats £450 second hand then.

Inlet manifold ... £75

Exhaust manifold.... £ 200 +

donor engine.... £200

 

You cant go getting that kind of power without a decent comp ratio.... that'll mean forged pistons....£500.

 

???????

 

If that was doable then everyone would have 240bhp zetecs in thier old ford. I know i would.

 

A friend of mine spent 8K on his race zetec from Dunnell engines. Dry sumped beastie though.

 

I was not referring to a zetec, i was referring to the BMW M52B28 and the S50B32.

 

4DOOR-SHERWOOD: No i have not. And i could care less about experiencing the "mighty yb"

 

rallyesport04: I could care less what deal you got, its still a shitty old yb.

[andygfc]

I was not referring to a zetec, i was referring to the BMW M52B28 and the S50B32.

 

 

 

And those engines will fit relatively easy? I think not.

I'm sure there are plenty of other engines producing similar power for similar money but, the question was Zetec or Cosworth

[livewire7116]

I was not referring to a zetec, i was referring to the BMW M52B28 and the S50B32.

 

 

 

And those engines will fit relatively easy? I think not.

I'm sure there are plenty of other engines producing similar power for similar money but, the question was Zetec or Cosworth

 

The question was ...."Has the cosworth had its day"?

think the true answer is "NO" it is still a formiddable engine with huge tuning potential depending on your budget, it atmo form there are other options which can offer similar power outputs but they still have to have lots of money spent on them, Cossies for the purists, zetecs for the budget builds, XEs and srd20s for the brave not worried about a bit of fabricating. But never put the pinto down as this can produce some serious performance with money spent in the right places.

 

Another issue which a lot of people seem to miss with these big power outputs is the transmissions, to cope with big power those 2nd hand type 9s are a no no and english axles will only take so much abuse.

[DarrenM]

I was not referring to a zetec, i was referring to the BMW M52B28 and the S50B32.

 

4DOOR-SHERWOOD: No i have not. And i could care less about experiencing the "mighty yb"

 

rallyesport04: I could care less what deal you got, its still a shitty old yb.

 

You could care or couldn't?

 

What are these BMW engines, 4 or 6 cylinder?

[chunkys mk1]

i think the yb will be around for a while yet as it is always evolving look at burtons all alloy block,the original design might be 20 years old but the engineering isn't

[fezza]

I was not referring to a zetec, i was referring to the BMW M52B28 and the S50B32.

the question was Zetec or Cosworth

Maybe Sir Cato has a problem with his reading as well as his attitude

[evil knievel]

YEAH?

 

 

 

 

Well my dad will have your dad!!!!

 

 

 

[rallyesport04]

I was not referring to a zetec, i was referring to the BMW M52B28 and the S50B32.

the question was Zetec or Cosworth

Maybe Sir Cato has a problem with his reading as well as his attitude

 

probably drives a corsa with a big exhaust with a hoodie on

 

as for price i added this to prove for another 500 quid more than the 3k you quoted for a 320bhp zetec i have more hp more torque oh i would say the resale value would also be higher

[zetecmk2]

shoot me down, but...... i love a zetec!! only because i can't afford a n/a yb!! but i feel almost "proud" of the zetec! it's stupidly cheap if you don't buy but fabricate, spins in 3rd in moist conditions with a type 9 and light car, and £100 to replace

the yb is a cult engine. but the zetec is cheap disposable power (for me on a small budget)

[Copey]

shoot me down, but...... i love a zetec!! only because i can't afford a n/a yb!! but i feel almost "proud" of the zetec! it's stupidly cheap if you don't buy but fabricate, spins in 3rd in moist conditions with a type 9 and light car, and £100 to replace

the yb is a cult engine. but the zetec is cheap disposable power (for me on a small budget)

 

maybe i should have titled the thread "is a zetec a budget cossie"

 

may have caused less arguments that way

[evil knievel]

shoot me down, but...... i love a zetec!! only because i can't afford a n/a yb!! but i feel almost "proud" of the zetec! it's stupidly cheap if you don't buy but fabricate, spins in 3rd in moist conditions with a type 9 and light car, and £100 to replace

the yb is a cult engine. but the zetec is cheap disposable power (for me on a small budget)

 

maybe i should have titled the thread "is a zetec a budget cossie"

 

may have caused less arguments that way

 

You could've called it

 

Zetecs are good engines, and so are Cosworths.

 

So why don't we all grow up and stop arguing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can sense that about a dozen more people now think I'm a cock!

[sambo]

Agreed, it has got a little bit silly now.

 

But, the question was...... Will the zetec take over in terms of transplants into old ford.

 

The answer is yes, if you want to spend about £800, fitting one and getting ok power out of it. Say, around 170bhp tops.

If you want more power after this, then you have to start spending money on it. Head work, cams etc. If you want more power and reliability, you need forged pistons and rods etc, etc as always the list goes on and this makes the whole economical engine thing go out of the window. If you have tuned this engine with all these components, it would have cost a bomb and if it goes bang, chances are some of the components are'nt gonna be usable for another base engine.

 

So, pound for pound, fitting a YB turbo is the cheapest way to 220 bhp i reckon.

 

Also, the Cosworth YB is probably the most iconic engine in the world???? Maybe that is a bit extreme but any Tom dick or harry has heard of it and respects it.

 

[jamie]

You can't beat the sight of a sorted cossie in an engine bay. It looks fast just sitting there!!!

[zetecmk2]

the zetec will not replace anything...it's just another option

[Sir-Cato]

I was not referring to a zetec, i was referring to the BMW M52B28 and the S50B32.

 

4DOOR-SHERWOOD: No i have not. And i could care less about experiencing the "mighty yb"

 

rallyesport04: I could care less what deal you got, its still a shitty old yb.

 

You could care or couldn't?

 

What are these BMW engines, 4 or 6 cylinder?

 

6 cylinder, a google search would have told you that.

 

rallyesport04: I`m quite happy in my E36 BMW.

[MM77]

6 cylinder, a google search would have told you that.

Well somebody certainly has sand in their vagina.

[Copey]

6 cylinder, a google search would have told you that.

Well somebody certainly has sand in their vagina.

 

[Johnson]

 

[fridgeman]

horses for courses joby, i like,x/flows,bda,twin cam and n/a cosworths because ive got them, i bet i would like zetec,duratec and pintos if i knew anything about them too, they all have a place under a ford bonnet if the owner wants one, back to the origonal question,no the cosworth has not had its day ,there a legend and still pound for pound very competertive, if anyone thinks there expensive,try building a 200 bhp BDA

[harris horse power]

I was not referring to a zetec, i was referring to the BMW M52B28 and the S50B32.

 

4DOOR-SHERWOOD: No i have not. And i could care less about experiencing the "mighty yb"

 

rallyesport04: I could care less what deal you got, its still a shitty old yb.

 

You could care or couldn't?

 

What are these BMW engines, 4 or 6 cylinder?

 

6 cylinder, a google search would have told you that.

 

rallyesport04: I`m quite happy in my E36 BMW.

 

if your happy in your E36 bmw , then why would you want a cheap mk1 escort for a run around?

[l j shaw]

horses for courses joby, i like,x/flows,bda,twin cam and n/a cosworths because ive got them, i bet i would like zetec,duratec and pintos if i knew anything about them too, they all have a place under a ford bonnet if the owner wants one, back to the origonal question,no the cosworth has not had its day ,there a legend and still pound for pound very competertive, if anyone thinks there expensive,try building a 200 bhp BDA

 

Try just a normal BDA never mind 200bhp one

[Beakster]

All depends on what you mean by had its day. But they seem to be going up in price a lot now. Gone are the days of finding a cheap accident damaged sapphhire cosworth to remove one from on the cheap. The engines are getting impossible to find at a reasonable price. So I think its getting to the end of its day as an affordable way to getting a fast old skool ford.

 

I couldn't have afforded a 16V Cosworth for my Capri. The car only cost 700 quid and was one of the most expensive things I've ever bought. Granted though due to the cost of 2 door Escorts, people who buy them usually have a bit more expendable income so more to spend on these engines.

 

I got a 24V Cosworth for my Capri. Can't go wrong with 200bhp for 200quid. I understand that Escort owners usually don't like more than 4 cylinders, so I think we'll probably see more cheap turbo jap engines in old skool fords, like the CA18DET in the future, especially as they seem to be a cheaper option than a turbo Zetec.

[Mk 1 Mark]

Only my opinion, Cosworth turbo and N/A, is the best engine full stop for any RWD ford!!!

Best of both worlds if you can have both

[MK2Ed]

Only 1 way of sorting it i recon...

 

.....santa pod...

 

RACE !!!!!!!

 

It's already been done mate...

 

OSF scene - I believe it goes like this:

 

Quickest turbo Kev Warn turbo YB

Quickest N/A Gary Angelos atmo YB

Quickest Pinto Andy Harris atmo Pinto

Quickest supercharged Kev Jenkins supercharged XE

Quickest pre-crossflow Toby Kent atmo x-flow

 

Someone can fill in the Zetec for me but I don't think there's one that will beat any of the above as far as I know...

[emu]

 

6 cylinder, a google search would have told you that.

 

 

So pretty much bugger all use for dropping into most old Fords then!?