Wanted - New Italian Weber 32/36 DGAV

[Rally Pack 2000]

As per title I was looking for a new old stock Italian made Weber 32/36 DGAV carburettor. Thanks

[Munch]

On ‎17‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 12:42, Rally Pack 2000 said:

As per title I was looking for a new old stock Italian made Weber 32/36 DGAV carburettor. Thanks

When I was rebuilding my pinto earlier this year I had to buy a new 32/36. I got told that Burtons had 10 in stock and bought a brand new unused weber. They may still have some left.

[Vista]

2 hours ago, Munch said:

When I was rebuilding my pinto earlier this year I had to buy a new 32/36. I got told that Burtons had 10 in stock and bought a brand new unused weber. They may still have some left.

Those Burton DGAV kits are showing a stock lead time of 4 - 5 weeks. Pricey too.

Edit: Sorry, that was for the whole kit, the DGAV carb is showing as in stock

 

[Rally Pack 2000]

5 hours ago, Munch said:

When I was rebuilding my pinto earlier this year I had to buy a new 32/36. I got told that Burtons had 10 in stock and bought a brand new unused weber. They may still have some left.

 

2 hours ago, Vista said:

Those Burton DGAV kits are showing a stock lead time of 4 - 5 weeks. Pricey too.

Edit: Sorry, that was for the whole kit, the DGAV carb is showing as in stock

 

Thanks for that. Im fairly sure the Burtons ones are the later Spanish made type. I was really wanting an Italian built one. Fussy I know LOL

[Rally Pack 2000]

Still looking for one of these. The rebuilt one on the car at the moment gives me hell at startup.

[Rally Pack 2000]

If I were to bite the bullet on one of the Spanish versions, what's the deal with no anti stall valves? All our cars had them from the factory so wondering what what effect if it was absent. Also a fuel outlet appears to be there (although no brass hose connector) but just to be sure you can add a fuel return line if required?

[Rally Pack 2000]

Bumping this thread if anyone has seen one in their travels. I know its a long shot but I keep trying. Thanks heaps

[Mantis]

I may have one, I'd have to take a closer look at the one that came with my Escort.

I'll get back to you..

[Rally Pack 2000]

2 hours ago, Mantis said:

I may have one, I'd have to take a closer look at the one that came with my Escort.

I'll get back to you..

Thanks for that much appreciated if you do have one though you probably should keep it for your own restoration. There will definitely be one of these on your Rally Pack, I can tell just by the air filter in your photos as thats the standard carby for them. I do have numerous old ones of them myself that I have acquired over the years but I was actually trying to locate a brand new one that was made in Italy. The current ones are made in Spain you see so I was after a new old stock type of thing that someone has had stored away in its box for years or something. If you do have one new still in its box I think you may want to hang onto it for yourself and I will drool from afar!

[YellowTaxi]

I bought a Spainsh one and converted it to Italian spec.

The return line was easy, drilled it out.  Pulled the brass bit out of and old carb and presed it in. Make sure you dont drill it too loose. I put the brass bit in the frezer and heated the carb. Once fitted it will never budge.

The anti, stall wasnt so easy but took it all of the old carb, it was a while ago but if my memory serves me I had to drill a hole at one angle then another to meet it at a different angle, to make an airway if that makes sense?

Then swap over the diaphram, lingage etc, Holes to mount the actual cover part were drilled but not tapped in the new carb so had to put a thread in them.

It worked really well when finished.

Test it by slowly lifting the clutch at tick-over. The revs rise to prevent a stall.

[Rally Pack 2000]

5 hours ago, YellowTaxi said:

I bought a Spainsh one and converted it to Italian spec.

The return line was easy, drilled it out.  Pulled the brass bit out of and old carb and presed it in. Make sure you dont drill it too loose. I put the brass bit in the frezer and heated the carb. Once fitted it will never budge.

The anti, stall wasnt so easy but took it all of the old carb, it was a while ago but if my memory serves me I had to drill a hole at one angle then another to meet it at a different angle, to make an airway if that makes sense?

Then swap over the diaphram, lingage etc, Holes to mount the actual cover part were drilled but not tapped in the new carb so had to put a thread in them.

It worked really well when finished.

Test it by slowly lifting the clutch at tick-over. The revs rise to prevent a stall.

Thanks I was curious if these things could be reinstated as they weren't tapped or missing holes. How do you find the carburettor apart from that? I have a Spanish DGV I tried once before I decided to stick with the original auto choke as I could never get it to idle smoothly and there was never a smooth transition when opening both sides, you could literally feel it through the accelerator almost like a notch. That was sort of what started me on the quest for a new Italian one. After the Spanish one I got a professional Carburettor Service Centre to restore one for me but they barely did a clean and gasket change and nothing more. All the loose wear of it was still just as it was before. They didn't attempt to put new bearings in it or tighten the linkage or anything. So finding a new one was the next step.

[YellowTaxi]

Yep, it works great,  still does as far as I know. Sold the car to a pal and hes still got it and its still going strong.

[Rally Pack 2000]

6 hours ago, YellowTaxi said:

Yep, it works great,  still does as far as I know. Sold the car to a pal and hes still got it and its still going strong.

You do all this great work on your cars and then shift them on! LOL

[Kenbex522]

Given Webers as far as I know haven't been made in Italy for absolutely years probably 20 at least, i think your chances are slim of finding a new one. If you do go for a new Spanish one I got a new 32/36 a couple of weeks ago from FastRoadCar on ebay, pounds cheaper than Burtons. The castings are not as good quality as the Italian made ones though. I bought a brand new 38DGMS for my car about 5 years ago. after about a year, the choke flaps started to rattle/chatter. On closer inspection, the shaft was a very sloppy fit in the casting causing a chatter on idle. Bearing in mind it hadn't covered great mileage at that point. Anyhow I removed the flaps completely in the end. Apart from that the carb has been ok.

[Rally Pack 2000]

46 minutes ago, Kenbex522 said:

Given Webers as far as I know haven't been made in Italy for absolutely years probably 20 at least, i think your chances are slim of finding a new one. If you do go for a new Spanish one I got a new 32/36 a couple of weeks ago from FastRoadCar on ebay, pounds cheaper than Burtons. The castings are not as good quality as the Italian made ones though. I bought a brand new 38DGMS for my car about 5 years ago. after about a year, the choke flaps started to rattle/chatter. On closer inspection, the shaft was a very sloppy fit in the casting causing a chatter on idle. Bearing in mind it hadn't covered great mileage at that point. Anyhow I removed the flaps completely in the end. Apart from that the carb has been ok.

The car is running so Im not desperate and  just being patient. Given you still see many Ford parts still pop up new in boxes then something a bit more generic like a Weber 32/36 should hopefully come along one day. Last year a 32 DGV came up for sale locally still in its Ford box so someone may also have a 32/36 stashed somewhere even if its just a plain Weber box! The problems with fit and finish you experienced seem to be systemic with the Spanish ones which is sort of why I was holding out for an Italian one. Also as mentioned the car is meant to have anti stall valves and fuel return lines as per original. Im not 100% stuck on new either in a way if I could have one properly restored. Its just a talent that has fallen by the wayside here with the one mentioned above barely only capable of putting a gasket kit through it which I could have done just as well myself. I can only hope and put the word out anyways.

[Miniliteman]

NOS manual choke Weber here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222855458586

(2nd mortgage needed).

[Rally Pack 2000]

5 hours ago, Miniliteman said:

NOS manual choke Weber here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222855458586

(2nd mortgage needed).

I would actually pay that if it was an auto choke version! Given he is in Australia I would save on all the extra taxes and charges and high postage so ultimately its not much more than a new Spanish one from the UK.

[caprimk1v4]

711F-9510-FB is original fitment on a 1600 GT Crossflow, so if it was going on a 2000 Pinto the jetting would be all wrong to start with.

[Miniliteman]

4 minutes ago, caprimk1v4 said:

711F-9510-FB is original fitment on a 1600 GT Crossflow, so if it was going on a 2000 Pinto the jetting would be all wrong to start with.

Not correct, jetting has nothing (well not much) to do with engine capacity.

[caprimk1v4]

The jets in a weber carb are a totally different size as are the emulsion tubes between a 1600 & 2000 Pinto engine, that is why Ford state a engineering number 711F-9510_FB for a 1600 crossflow  and  71HF 9510 DA for 2000 Pinto & 71HF 9510 BA for 1600 GT Pinto , jet & emulsion tubes totally different between the three carbs.

[Miniliteman]

No they are not. F50, F6, F66 tubes are used becaue of small differences within the carbs. Main, air and idle jets are selected beacuse of differences in carbs and criteria for exhaust emmissions and mpg.

[Rally Pack 2000]

The jetting and tubes used in Australian spec models are different to those used on European cars to meet our emission standards. I have seen another listed which was specified for a particular European country different to the UK RS2000 set up as well. Either way its not going to be correct and will have to change if I am lucky to find a new carburettor. Given I have removed all the original emission devices which became an irrelevant standard when they introduced unleaded fuel and also fitted a European RS2000 exhaust manifold over the original Cortina type I can at least use UK RS2000s carb setup as a guide with a few minor tweaks if its not quite right. Thats the plan anyways. That should get me closer to 110bhp than our breathtaking standard 94bhp

[Miniliteman]

New Italian DGV (not DGAV) here (seller is in Germany):

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/294973378591

[Rally Pack 2000]

11 minutes ago, Miniliteman said:

New Italian DGV (not DGAV) here (seller is in Germany):

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/294973378591

Good find. That does look great! Thanks for even remembering I was still looking for one. If it had of been a DGAV I wouldn't have even made an offer and paid what he wanted!