Back in the day Fordsy V6 Land rovers was a thing...

[LandroverV6]

Please forgive me, but I'm not sure where else to find the kind of knowledge-base other than somewhere like here. I'm a Land rover owner, and you might be aware  Ford V6 lumps used to get thrown into 1960/70s era Land rovers. This would been about the time rusty Grannies and Capris could be found easily. Early to mid 80s? There was a kit to enable the LR box to mate to a V6. See below.

Here's the thing, I understand if you've a Classic Grannie or similar you might put in a Zetec or something? If you where running something as heavy as one of those Granada Stretch Limo jobbies what modern Ford would you have in there? I'm looking for a modern Ford engine, the sort of thing you might put in stretch Granny today. 'cos if you see my thinking, that'll be good for an LR. Lazy, and economical where it lives now, so it'll cope with a new home. Anyone?

 

[Vista]

If you want to stick with a V6 Ford lump then go for a Cosworth V6 as fitted to the Granada Scorpio, it's not particularly modem anymore mind. 

[eeb43]

got a 6.2 gmc v8 diesel on a disco autobox here

[LandroverV6]

Thanks, for your help. I shoud have said, I'd like to keep this petrol. I'm pretty sure Diesel will be legislated off the road soon enough. Is a Granny Scorpio all that economical? Is it a hidden jewel? I can't imagine it's good for much more than 30mpg where it lives now, then again, I know little about Ford iron.

I had ideas that my existing V6 adaptor was still good for late engines. Putting the question backwards, what modern Ford lump mates to a mid 70s Capri or simialr V6 box now, becuase that's the question I suppose I'm really asking. Or is thsi a daft proposal right form the off, in which case sorry I've wasted your time and goodwill.

 

Bottom line is, economy. Where a given engine is doing 40-45mpg now. I'm expecting to lose 5mpg in a heavy LR.

[colr6]

Don’t think the modern day 2.5/3.0 v6 duratecs do that good on fuel  in the likes of the mondeo so pulling a Landy around will only hurt them more.

[DT36]

I would go with the BOA. Saw one in a Sierra recently and chatting with the owner, he said it pulled like a train. 

http://www.topbossperformance.co.uk/home/4594598441

 

[notenoughtime]

I dont think you will find a v6 with good fuel economy as stated already 

how about a twin turbo diesel out of a modern Land Rover/ jaguar 

[Monza]

Mate has a BOA in a mk5 Cortina. Came on a 1300mile tour of Scotland in the Summer....he's had the engine in for a few years now and loves it. Pretty economical and plenty of torque 👍

[LandroverV6]

I'm a mechanical whore, I'll go with anything. Doesn't have to be a V6. Anything 'talky' and economical that'll mate to my V6 adaptor , and readily available. It'll have O2 / knock / MAP / MAF etc etc, much as I hate it, that'll be what works for fuel.

Don't suppose too many of you have driven a Series Land rover. Believe me, you'd be daft to run much over lorry speeds even if you've the grunt to do it! Without brown trousers, an Essex / Cologne V6 is all the power required. It's there so that going up hills you've not a conga forming behind you. They have charm but stopping and steering is not  why you own one. I do 9-11,000 a year in mine with an gas-conversion. That's a £3000 fuel-bill. I'm looking to get that lower.

The  V6 was borrowed for everything back in the day. Those V6 would be put in anything that had rubber at each corner. Including LRs. Today the Moggy Minor world swap-in Fiat engines for some reason, I was hoping the 'Ford world' now held a de facto swap you're all doing.

 

Rest assured I don't have a beard.

 

[Vista]

47 minutes ago, LandroverV6 said:

I'm a mechanical whore, I'll go with anything. Doesn't have to be a V6. Anything 'talky' and economical that'll mate to my V6 adaptor , and readily available. It'll have O2 / knock / MAP / MAF etc etc, much as I hate it, that'll be what works for fuel.

Don't suppose too many of you have driven a Series Land rover. Believe me, you'd be daft to run much over lorry speeds even if you've the grunt to do it! Without brown trousers, an Essex / Cologne V6 is all the power required. It's there so that going up hills you've not a conga forming behind you. They have charm but stopping and steering is not  why you own one. I do 9-11,000 a year in mine with an gas-conversion. That's a £3000 fuel-bill. I'm looking to get that lower.

The  V6 was borrowed for everything back in the day. Those V6 would be put in anything that had rubber at each corner. Including LRs. Today the Moggy Minor world swap-in Fiat engines for some reason, I was hoping the 'Ford world' now held a de facto swap you're all doing.

 

Rest assured I don't have a beard.

 

With our swaps, very few of us have economy as a chief priority. 

[katana]

If economy is your aim then smaller and lighter is required - a 4 banger 2.0 / 2.3 / 2.5L Duratec should suit! They'll easy make 200hp and probably sufficient torque although probably less than the Essex. Its a common enough conversion on Old Skool Fords that parts are available but whether your adapter will fit / match up is anyone's guess! Trying to beat £3k /yr fuel bill will be pretty difficult - mine is about £2500 over comparable miles in a 1.3L Yaris Petrol! With one of the above engines on LPG it may match the Yaris?

[LandroverV6]

Without consensus, this thread reads much as many engine threads. As many engines as there are answers. Some clearly not suitable, others not Ford.

Back in the day, a collection of Ford blokes could be expected to yell “V6 mate”, and they’d be right. The V6 was something to be proud of.

Ford blokes should be caught yelling ‘We’ve got two each, like wot he just said, you want the Ford XYZ mate’ Seems not, whatever the engine choice, it’s not Ford. Which saddens me, I fancy a Ford in there. I have a problem with a Jap, French or German ‘thing’ in a Land rover. That’s like putting a Toyota lump in a 1600E. I’d cry. But needs must…

Thank you gents for all you time and goodwill.

[katana]

Excuse me ?  Out of all the ideas offered only two were not Ford - one being a daft Diesel....... so where are we being unfaithful to Ford and in all honesty the V6 Essex engine was never that 'great' as a transplant - heavy, not that powerful with designed in reliability issues - no wonder the Buick / Rover V8 conversion was so popular. Car modding today is not what it was and no one swaps engines like they did - even using Zetec's in Escorts is frowned upon by the purists so you've had plenty of suggestions - your's to choose!

[notenoughtime]

12 minutes ago, katana said:

Excuse me ?  Out of all the ideas offered only two were not Ford - one being a daft Diesel....... 

Actually two diesels offered lol 

mine and marks lol 

[notenoughtime]

50 minutes ago, LandroverV6 said:

Without consensus, this thread reads much as many engine threads. As many engines as there are answers. Some clearly not suitable, others not Ford.

Back in the day, a collection of Ford blokes could be expected to yell “V6 mate”, and they’d be right. The V6 was something to be proud of.

Ford blokes should be caught yelling ‘We’ve got two each, like wot he just said, you want the Ford XYZ mate’ Seems not, whatever the engine choice, it’s not Ford. Which saddens me, I fancy a Ford in there. I have a problem with a Jap, French or German ‘thing’ in a Land rover. That’s like putting a Toyota lump in a 1600E. I’d cry. But needs must…

Thank you gents for all you time and goodwill.

Are we not going to be seeing you again then? Did you not get an answer you wanted? 

Trouble is you want good economy and fitted to a Landy I think that will be difficult, I driven a few of them and know exactly what they are like! 

How about going really modern and fitting a electric motor? Loads of room for battery’s along the chassis 

[eeb43]

i have still got and used to run a classic range rover with a milner conversion perkins 4/182 turbo if i was going to do a conversion these days it would be 1 of these or a 4.8 phaser

 

[accord83]

11K a year in a Series Landrover? Hell in 1981 I had a Series 2A with a 4203 Perkins in 1981, 11 miles was enough. It was a Nuffield tractor with a roof, numb steering, suspension, and every thing I take for granted now, heater, wipers, insulation, brakes, non leaking, etc was useless. But it would pull a house down and cruise at 60 with high ratio diffs. You're a brave man!

[LandroverV6]

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I had to smile, found the above (link now removed) sitting in the 'Inbox'. The mind boggles,  but to answer your question, yes 11,000 is quite arduous, noisy, cold and bumpy with dreadful brakes. Not sure why I do it, but for memory of my grandfather. It was his. 2020's COVID made for less, more like 5,000.

Anyway, thanks gents, I was hoping there was a de facto swap for a V6. Something recognised by those of you. like me with my LR,  using your Ford as a 'daily'. Appears not.

Edited December 2, 2020 by LandroverV6

[Vista]

52 minutes ago, LandroverV6 said:

I had to smile, found the above (link now removed) sitting in the 'Inbox'. The mind boggles,  but to answer your question, yes 11,000 is quite arduous, noisy, cold and bumpy with dreadful brakes. Not sure why I do it, but for memory of my grandfather. It was his. 2020's COVID made for less, more like 5,000.

Anyway, thanks gents, I was hoping there was a de facto swap for a V6. Something recognised by those of you. like me with my LR,  using your Ford as a 'daily'. Appears not.

I last used my mk1 RS as a daily for about 6 / 7 months in 2006 or 7. Then the values went crazy and whilst there was always a high risk of them being nicked, that risk went through the roof and I, like many others, stopped and kept it for fun only.

The more recent V6 swap than the old Essex is the Cosworth V6 fitted in the Scorpio but even that's knocking on a bit. Not heard of someone using a V6 probe engine but doubt that'd tick your economy box very well.

[Johnny Boy]

Rover V8 preferred petrol engine conversion.

Discovery 300TDI preferred diesel conversion.

Lots of other engines in between, but these are the best.😁   

[deltamal]

I've got a Mk3 Tina with a 2.9 V6 from an 89 Scorpieo fitted, work done to the engine, gas flowed big valves and fitted with 6 injected Jenvy throttle bodys and DTA management, 190 @ the wheels and 30 mpg on a run, (if I dont joust!) goed like a train!

[Kenworth W900]

On 24/12/2019 at 20:50, LandroverV6 said:

This would been about the time rusty Grannies and Capris could be found easily...

That narrows it down to anytime between about 1975 and 2020 😆

[eeb43]

On 02/12/2020 at 18:29, Johnny Boy said:

Rover V8 preferred petrol engine conversion.

Discovery 300TDI preferred diesel conversion.

Lots of other engines in between, but these are the best.😁   

i had a range rover with a 4/182 turbo perkins in it way better than a 300tdi or a rv8

[accord83]

3 hours ago, eeb43 said:

i had a range rover with a 4/182 turbo perkins in it way better than a 300tdi or a rv8

I had a Landrover 2A with a Perkins 4/203 in it, it had a shake on tick over, when I got out it looked like I had Parkinsons. In hind sight it was a bloody awful thing but it would pull a house down.  On 3.9 diffs out of a Rover P5 three litre and a straight through exhaust made of scaffolding tube it would roll coal at 60. 

Edited December 6, 2020 by accord83

[eeb43]

4 hours ago, accord83 said:

I had a Landrover 2A with a Perkins 4/203 in it, it had a shake on tick over, when I got out it looked like I had Parkinsons. In hind sight it was a bloody awful thing but it would pull a house down.  On 3.9 diffs out of a Rover P5 three litre and a straight through exhaust made of scaffolding tube it would roll coal at 60. 

4/236 was better than the 203 but not a patch on the turbo 182 ive had 1 with a transit di that was first gear to go uphill with a loaded trailer and a  2.5td peugeot that was ok and slightly better than the di