BROWNY 1968 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 so ive always wanted to build a big capacity pinto but the budget is a bit slim,(to many motors) but ive been offered a diesel bottom end out of a g reg mk4 escort van that is hopefully a 1.8 (need to check that) just wondered if this will have the right conrods for a low buck 2.2 litre pinto build cheers guys 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vista Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 I don't think so no, it's the earlier 1.6 naturally aspirated diesel from a mk2 fiesta / mk3 escort you need. Certainly they are what I have in my 2.2 pinto. Oh and low buck 2.2? Sorry no. There's quite a bit of machining work to rods, block and crank to go 2.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT36 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1.8 will definately not work. Pic below I've just taken are the rods you need. Most expensive bit of the build are the pistons. To build a Pinto to 2.2 you need to do the following: Bore block to 93mm (no problem with 205 or 202 blocks). Offset grind crankshaft throw taking stroke up to 80mm. This is possible by reducing big end journal size down to that of 1600 diesel escort or fiesta rods (see pic). 1600 diesel rods = S84FM Bearing = AE B4635 (CBS 41306AL Clevite) Piston Burtons : Accralite forged piston at 93mm: Ford Cosworth YB 38mm compression height - SC302/93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, dt36 said: 1.8 will definately not work. Pic below I've just taken are the rods you need. Most expensive bit of the build are the pistons. To build a Pinto to 2.2 you need to do the following: Bore block to 93mm (no problem with 205 or 202 blocks). Offset grind crankshaft throw taking stroke up to 80mm. This is possible by reducing big end journal size down to that of 1600 diesel escort or fiesta rods (see pic). 1600 diesel rods = S84FM Bearing = AE B4635 (CBS 41306AL Clevite) Piston Burtons : Accralite forged piston at 93mm: Ford Cosworth YB 38mm compression height - SC302/93 Those are some nice looking rods. They make the standard Pinto ones look positively spindly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROWNY 1968 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 oh ok, 1.6 conrods, where did I get 1.8 from, doh, yes I was thinking the pistons to be the expensive part, lookin to go the forged route as i'll be running nitrous through it, and weve already roasted one set of cast pistons 😲 need to dig my spare crank out to measure the journals aswell when I get a minute cheers for the replys guys more soon 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notenoughtime Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 Finding the rods is going to be the issue, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theloudboy Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Ik does a kit ready to go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROWNY 1968 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 that's a nice bit of kit, but not in my budget right now, plan is a bit at a time as funds allow Cheers dude 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theloudboy Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 21 hours ago, BROWNY 1968 said: that's a nice bit of kit, but not in my budget right now, plan is a bit at a time as funds allow Cheers dude 👍 Bloody hell browny I did not see it was you that posted this lol, how you doing man king time no see you will have to get yourself down to the halfway house meet when it’s back on geezer, I just hope I recognise you it’s been years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROWNY 1968 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 yeah all good here mate, hope you are too ? its been a while, think it was one of the eagle meets we last spoke, will get up to the halfway house when its on again 😉 cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theloudboy Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 On 15/04/2020 at 22:17, BROWNY 1968 said: yeah all good here mate, hope you are too ? its been a while, think it was one of the eagle meets we last spoke, will get up to the halfway house when its on again 😉 cheers Ya it probably was Matt black minibus aka Paul says hello, i’m All good mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theloudboy Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 I will add ike can offset ground your crank if you want to do the 2.2 bottom end 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROWNY 1968 Posted April 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 have u got any idea the cost of offset grinding a crank, rumour has it, its very costly, tell paul I said hello back 👋 cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vista Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 3 hours ago, BROWNY 1968 said: have u got any idea the cost of offset grinding a crank, rumour has it, its very costly, tell paul I said hello back 👋 cheers I had it done on mine in about 2006, I think I have the invoice somewhere but I don't remember it being that substantial. Grinding a crank is grinding a crank, the offset is achieved by altering the set up in the machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Vista said: Grinding a crank is grinding a crank, the offset is achieved by altering the set up in the machine. Depends on finding suitable rods with a smaller big end - otherwise you have to build up the journal with weld, then offset turning and grinding so a little more involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vista Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, katana said: Depends on finding suitable rods with a smaller big end - otherwise you have to build up the journal with weld, then offset turning and grinding so a little more involved. I'm basing my response on use of 1.6D rods, which from memory have the same size big end as a x-flow and are therefore smaller than a pinto, work is then limited to just offset grinding the crank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 Not sure but don’t you need a std sized journal crank to be able to do it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT36 Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 I'm not a hundred percent if you initially need a standard crank to start off with. I have two here, as I aim to get an offset grind done in the future. One is standard and the other is on its first grind. Out of these, one will do the job and I was hoping it could be the one already ground. This is the other info I have written down to do the work: To build a Pinto to 2.2 you need to do the following: Bore block to 93mm (no major problem with 205 or 202 blocks). Offset grind crankshaft throw taking stroke up to 80mm. This is possible by reducing big end journal size down to that of 1600 diesel escort or fiesta rods. 1600 diesel rods also have to be modified by reduction in width to suit piston at the little end and the narrower 2.0 Pinto journal at the big end. It would also be advisable to have them balanced end over at at this point. 1600 diesel rods = S84FM Bearing = AE B4635 (CBS 41306AL Clevite) Piston Burtons : Accralite forged piston at 93mm: Ford Cosworth YB 38mm compression height - SC302/93 Pistons will need machine off the crown, flush to deck as you now have a longer stroke and they will likely protrude out of the top of the block. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notenoughtime Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 I’m 99% sure it has to be a std journal to start with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWL81P Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, notenoughtime said: I’m 99% sure it has to be a std journal to start with i'm also 99% it needs to be standard size journals too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Logic says if its 10 thou under, then at worst, you'll lose 10 thou off the stroke - may not be ideal but not the end of the world - that's next week! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theloudboy Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 On 23/04/2020 at 09:19, BROWNY 1968 said: have u got any idea the cost of offset grinding a crank, rumour has it, its very costly, tell paul I said hello back 👋 cheers Just waiting to hear back from ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROWNY 1968 Posted April 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 Had a looky at my crankshaft today, journal measurement was 52mm, so hopefully that is good for an offset grind, Need to find a set of rods next 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROWNY 1968 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 Thanks to carey on here, got a set of rods on the way, woo hoo, cheers man, also lined up another injection engine, just gotta pick it up, More soon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notenoughtime Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 Look forward to seeing a build thread on this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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