No chance

[BaileyMex]

We finance a lot of electric cars these days, and they are not cheap comparted to your regular petrol/diesel car, so out of reach for a lot of people anyway.

Sure, they give you great acceleration and are smooth, packed full of tech and you get a 'Green' badge to wear to impress your neighbours or work colleagues, BUT technology advances so fast that todays Electric car will be old hat and using out of date technology in 5+ years, so all that money you invest in today for a new Tesla S or similar will not be recouped when a manufacture brings out a new model that can cover more miles, or is loads cheaper by comparison.

I have nothing against electric cars, and sure I'd have one to use as a daily, but not for the money they are asking today, I'll stick to my heavy oil burners for the time being until they come down in price in the future.

As for electric motor conversions into classics, one of our clients transports classics that have had these conversions and I've seen the photos, and in all fairness, the conversions look smart, neat, tidy and clean and fast as f**k compared to what was ripped out, but do you know how much they charge for such a conversion?....... LOTS!!!! multiple thousands of pounds, so unless you are going to try to tackle an electric conversion yourself, prepare for a kick in the nuts with the cost for the privilege.

I'll stick with my 1700 X-Flow on 40's thank you very much Baarrrp Barrrp 😈

 

[meXEco]

I've watched a couple of those Vintage Voltage shows on the telly-and you're right most of the conversions they do are £25k - £30k plus!!! That's just the conversion price not including their classic car.

[BaileyMex]

4 hours ago, meXEco said:

I've watched a couple of those Vintage Voltage shows on the telly-and you're right most of the conversions they do are £25k - £30k plus!!! That's just the conversion price not including their classic car.

Exactly! out of reach for most classic car owners.

[Rally Pack 2000]

5 hours ago, meXEco said:

I've watched a couple of those Vintage Voltage shows on the telly-and you're right most of the conversions they do are £25k - £30k plus!!! That's just the conversion price not including their classic car.

Is there a car show that does this? Is it on a specific channel or a youtube thing? (Always looking for a new car show!)

[meXEco]

Yes as above called Vintage Voltage a company in England that does conversions and have done a couple of series i believe-probably on Youtube.

[DT36]

2 hours ago, meXEco said:

Yes as above called Vintage Voltage a company in England that does conversions and have done a couple of series i believe-probably on Youtube.

Don't listen to John. This Witchcraft is carried out at a Coven in Powys 😂

 

[meXEco]

Oops sorry yes I actually knew that too lol.

[mpdevelopments.uk]

4 hours ago, meXEco said:

Yes as above called Vintage Voltage a company in England that does conversions and have done a couple of series i believe-probably on Youtube.

ENGLAND,,    How bloody dare you say such thing,

 Vintage Voltage is Situated in Newtown ,   that just happens to be the largest town in the county of Powys,,,  MID  WALES      

Edited May 26, 2021 by mpdevelopments.uk

[Vista]

1 hour ago, mpdevelopments.uk said:

ENGLAND,,    How bloody dare you say such thing,

 Vintage Voltage is Situated in Newtown ,   that just happens to be the largest town in the county of Powys,,,  MID  WALES      

A shapely ginger girl flashed me her beaver sat on a bar table in a club in Newton some years back. I thought I might need to make a habit of visiting Newton after that! 

[Rally Pack 2000]

5 hours ago, dt36 said:

Don't listen to John. This Witchcraft is carried out at a Coven in Powys 😂

 

I watched a few episodes of the first season! The show seems good enough, nice cars and all that. Cant deny it makes me feel uneasy when they convert them though. 30 thousand quid just to convert the Karmen Ghia which was in great condition but I cant see it as an value added asset that would increase in value through time like most classics do now. It sort halts its value really. I think most buyers would baulk if you tried to sell it on and never ever really get your money back. Given classics are not really everyday drivers the claims of fuel saving don't really ring true if you factor in recouping the 30 grand you outlaid. They also love touting the even weigh distribution as if that makes it all worth while but makes it as heavy as an extra passenger. Put a Porsche 911 engine it it for a third of the cost, twice as much power as the electric engine and put some sand bags in the front and it would be cheaper, just as evenly weight distribution, faster and more people will wow over the Porsche engine than an electric one and you will still have 20 grand for petrol that would last a lifetime. 150 miles range that slowly decreases with time? Like my old mobile phone where im down to only a ten minute call so have to warn everyone I cant chat long! LOL

I'm not really convinced of the benefits yet but I will keep watching cause im desperate for car shows. Im glad the 356 was a fibreglass replica as when I glimpsed the opening promo my heart skipped before I realised and I said out loud, no way, they surely arent going to do that! LOL

2 hours ago, Vista said:

A shapely ginger girl flashed me her beaver sat on a bar table in a club in Newton some years back. I thought I might need to make a habit of visiting Newton after that! 

And did you keep visiting Newton? 🤔

[DT36]

8 hours ago, Vista said:

A shapely ginger girl flashed me her beaver sat on a bar table in a club in Newton some years back. I thought I might need to make a habit of visiting Newton after that! 

The Red Headed Siren of Newton. 

She still there, trapping wayward Matelots up her foof. 😁

[Rally Pack 2000]

One consistent ironic thing I noticed with these conversions is that the longer range you want the more of your luggage space is taken up for more batteries which seems to be a bit self defeating if you want to take luggage on a longer trip! LOL

[DT36]

25 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

One consistent ironic thing I noticed with these conversions is that the longer range you want the more of your luggage space is taken up for more batteries which seems to be a bit self defeating if you want to take luggage on a longer trip! LOL

I was looking at a brochure for a VW T6 electric the other week. Restricted to 56mph and a range of 80 miles. 

That wouldn't even get me to any of my off site workplaces of the three I visit in one complete leg of the journey. 

[Rally Pack 2000]

31 minutes ago, dt36 said:

I was looking at a brochure for a VW T6 electric the other week. Restricted to 56mph and a range of 80 miles. 

That wouldn't even get me to any of my off site workplaces of the three I visit in one complete leg of the journey. 

Australia is often criticised (mostly by Europe) for our lack of uptake of Electric vehicles but their limited ranges wouldn't even get you across town here let alone travel between cities! No one seems to be factoring in the decreasing range of the batteries with age. In 4 years the range will be half that quoted in the brochures. Then in the same breath we are told we should close all our power stations which are coal driven which even with them operating at full capacity would not generate enough power for 25% EV uptake. Its alright for all these nuclear powered nations to create waste for millions of years to tell us we have to completely shut down the nations grid system and adopt cleaner vehicles that we cant even power now! We have the highest uptake of solar in the world but that doesn't even cover household use for those that have put them on their roofs and still require grid access there is no way they could add a EV to their household without being completely reliant on the grid. Let alone who will put a charging station in the middle of nowhere where most in the bush don't even have mobile phone access? Those who live in central London and the Sydney inner city crowd dont have any concept of the vastness of space outside the routes between their favourite local pubs LOL Whats even more selfish of them is that there is a discussion here saying that EVs should pay no road tax. Thats currently funded through excise and taxes on fuel. So the rich who can afford to buy these more expensive EVs want the poorer petrol users to pay for all the roads while they use them for free all the while condescendingly castigating petrol car users for polluting the planet forgetting the fact that burning more coal to power theirs is just as polluting.

When China invades at least I can get to central Australia's no mans land in the Escort with a Gerry can in the boot! (And actual luggage!)

[colr6]

The Amazon advert on the TV gets me, they’ve got a fleet of electric vans. Pity the range on the Transit is only 35miles 🤭🤭🤭🤭 That was a real good purchase for the environment, oh and by the way your delivery will be late the vans flat !

 

 

it’s a compulsory extra to have fitted to your new electric self charge car.....a TOW BAR

 

Edited May 27, 2021 by colr6

[meXEco]

35 miles!!! What's the point in that for a delivery vehicle lol.

[Rally Pack 2000]

19 minutes ago, meXEco said:

35 miles!!! What's the point in that for a delivery vehicle lol.

I saw one guy in the UK on some car show with a older Nissan Leaf his range has decreased down to 15 miles but still needed 6 hours or so to charge! I wonder if toxic lithium battery dumps will eventually become a thing? How often can they even be recycled?

[colr6]

The advert from the ford range,

The best of both worlds

The Transit Custom Plug-In Hybrid (PHEV) utilises two separate power sources. A battery powered electric motor drives the vehicle, while its 1.0L Ford EcoBoost petrol engine works to recharge the hybrid battery and extend the vehicle’s range. The driver can select between three available EV modes, including EV Now which allows you to drive with zero emissions on electric-only power, to a targeted range of 35 miles. The PHEV battery can also be recharged using most AC network charging points.

[katana]

1 hour ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

I wonder if toxic lithium battery dumps will eventually become a thing? How often can they even be recycled?

I watched a youtube vid about this. Lithium can be recycled by various methods but seemingly its the battery construction that is causing problems! It seems they are glued / potted in plastic making retrieval of the lithium difficult - 2 methods used a) burning / high temp to burn off the plastic component (hardly green!) or b) use some pretty toxic and nasty chemicals to dissolve the lithium into solution to be recovered by other methods. Each pencell / AA battery sized cell gives up about 2g of pure lithium.

The other problem is battery technology that is moving away from Lithium so setting up expensive retrieval methods could leave companies sitting on lots of recovered Lithium for a market that no longer wants it! I think recycling should be put on manufacturers - cradle to grave type thing, if they want to appear 'green' then it should be 100% not maybe 75-80%!

[Vista]

17 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

I watched a few episodes of the first season! The show seems good enough, nice cars and all that. Cant deny it makes me feel uneasy when they convert them though. 30 thousand quid just to convert the Karmen Ghia which was in great condition but I cant see it as an value added asset that would increase in value through time like most classics do now. It sort halts its value really. I think most buyers would baulk if you tried to sell it on and never ever really get your money back. Given classics are not really everyday drivers the claims of fuel saving don't really ring true if you factor in recouping the 30 grand you outlaid. They also love touting the even weigh distribution as if that makes it all worth while but makes it as heavy as an extra passenger. Put a Porsche 911 engine it it for a third of the cost, twice as much power as the electric engine and put some sand bags in the front and it would be cheaper, just as evenly weight distribution, faster and more people will wow over the Porsche engine than an electric one and you will still have 20 grand for petrol that would last a lifetime. 150 miles range that slowly decreases with time? Like my old mobile phone where im down to only a ten minute call so have to warn everyone I cant chat long! LOL

I'm not really convinced of the benefits yet but I will keep watching cause im desperate for car shows. Im glad the 356 was a fibreglass replica as when I glimpsed the opening promo my heart skipped before I realised and I said out loud, no way, they surely arent going to do that! LOL

And did you keep visiting Newton? 🤔

Nope, it's in the middle of nowhere (aka Wales ) 

[Rally Pack 2000]

Favourite line "I always wanted to drive a Lancia Fulvia because of their rally heritage and my first one will be electric" he says after cutting huge chunks out of it to make the motor and batteries fit! LOL

@colr6 Electrifying a Royal Enfield? I dont know my bikes but is that something you would do to a classic bike Col?

[colr6]

3 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

Favourite line "I always wanted to drive a Lancia Fulvia because of their rally heritage and my first one will be electric" he says after cutting huge chunks out of it to make the motor and batteries fit! LOL

@colr6 Electrifying a Royal Enfield? I dont know my bikes but is that something you would do to a classic bike Col?

Not a bloody chance, where would British bike riding be without oil leaks and breakdowns...lol. You can’t beat the sound of a Brit twin thundering down the road.

[katana]

58 minutes ago, colr6 said:

You can’t beat the sound of a Brit twin thundering down the road.

Oh you can! - ANYTHING not made in Britain in the 60's and 70's. I'd even say a Puch Maxi would give a BSA Bantam a run for its money! Mind you there were some horrors from the Big Jap Co's - Suzuki RE4. . . . .  No just NO! And if i'm truthful anything made in the Bavarian Murder Works is high on the list of avoids! Then on the other hand, and God forgive me, I do have a hankering for a Vincent Black Shadow or Prince - absolute jewels in a cesspit of shite in engineering terms LOL!

[Rally Pack 2000]

6 hours ago, colr6 said:

Not a bloody chance, where would British bike riding be without oil leaks and breakdowns...lol. You can’t beat the sound of a Brit twin thundering down the road.

I sort of understood the Fiat 500 conversion although for 17 thousand quid plus the price of the car Im definitely still on the fence but if you put costs aside it sort of was a smart zippy around town vehicle with a bit of character to use in an inner city green zone. But the bike thing I definitely don't get. When you remove the engine to put in an electric motor and weld up the petrol hole on the tank there isn't much left you would see as a Royal Enfield bike? The sight of the exposed engine and the sound are the things that make it what it is. The classic cars at least sort of still look like the cars they were because exposed engines isn't really part of the look. With a bike Its just a frame that's been electrified now. If you wanted an electric bike thats a choice that may suit but why not just by a new one. Im definitely missing something here that I haven't considered?

[DT36]

12 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

Favourite line "I always wanted to drive a Lancia Fulvia because of their rally heritage and my first one will be electric" he says after cutting huge chunks out of it to make the motor and batteries fit! LOL

@colr6 Electrifying a Royal Enfield? I dont know my bikes but is that something you would do to a classic bike Col?

Those Royal Enfields reps are cheap and readily available from India. I think the one they electrified was a modern rep, albeit probably a decent bike. 

 

Edited May 28, 2021 by dt36