Whats the next big thing?

[BIG G]

After owning old fords for over 30 years and watching the values go up and up what Fords that are in the current £500-£2000 bracket that the curent youth are enjoying as much as .I enjoyed my Mk2 4 door first car? and will the prices rise on these cars as the generation want to re-live their ownerships...  

i'm thinking mk6 fiesta st or evena Puma 1.7.....

[katana]

They aren't exactly what I'd call 'classics' though are they? Just because they're popular (are they?) doesn't translate to cult status. Escorts have a sporting heritage and I don't think Ford replicated that since the Sierra & Escort Cossies which are cult and waaay more spendy than mk1 & mk2 Escorts! Collectors these days are largely reliving their younger years with things they played and tinkered with - the youth of today neither play nor tinker - sticking a body kit on is about as extreme as it gets mainly due to insurance costs. And if fuel usage is made harder more costly I can see the desire for a classic slowly being exterminated!

[kev the rev]

1 hour ago, BIG G said:

After owning old fords for over 30 years and watching the values go up and up what Fords that are in the current £500-£2000 bracket that the curent youth are enjoying as much as .I enjoyed my Mk2 4 door first car? and will the prices rise on these cars as the generation want to re-live their ownerships...  

i'm thinking mk6 fiesta st or evena Puma 1.7.....

i know they did rally the puma for a bit  and they seem to be getting rarer nowadays, i had one 20 yrs ago small inside  but went well also tickford did a limited run of 500  racing pumas the one below in blue is on ebay current bid 10,000 pounds

Edited March 15, 2022 by kevs mk2 rs2000

[BaileyMex]

4 hours ago, katana said:

Collectors these days are largely reliving their younger years with things they played and tinkered with - the youth of today neither play nor tinker - sticking a body kit on is about as extreme as it gets

I think that sums it up right there, we all love classics / OSF's as that's all we could afford as teenagers and we (excuse the pun) Fixed and repaired daily! buying cheap for a couple of hundred pounds, raiding breakers yards for either broken bits or to upgrade, you could do most things with a small selection of spanners and screwdrivers and a Haynes Manual.

Try that with a computer and ECU controlled £500 Fiesta, nope, under the bonnet is a sea of black boxes and computer controlled modules and 300 fuses 

I had a Puma as a company car when I worked for Ford back in the 90's and it was a lively little thing, and it would probably acquire a 'Retro' status, but not classic, well I don't think so anyway. - The Racing Puma may have a small cult following, but its no RS2000 is it Gordy.

And anything Ford and pre-2000 is already starting to fetch silly money, I saw an F Reg Ford Orion on ebay the other day for £6,000!! 

 

 

[Johnny Boy]

Early Focus ST`170's are creeping up in value.

Every time I see someone fitting an ST170 engine in an Escort, I think, well that's one less ST170 on the road 🙄 

[DT36]

Mk3 Mondeo ST220 going up in value lately. 2.2 ST TDCI also starting to rise. Both cars do require some tlc though, but there's plenty being broken to keep on top of them or replace worn trim.  If you tuck one away now, you will see a return on them. 

I have a Mondeo ST as a chugger for work as the Missus uses our Tiguan as a daily when I'm away from home. In fairness it goes well and is a decent old bus. Does torque steer hard though and gearbox has a limiter on them in 1st and 2nd gear. 

Outside of the Ford scene, Land rover Defenders  doing OK.  Very easy project vehicles these, but be prepared for some work on the chassis. 

My current project is now a VW T5 Caravelle mod for camping and cycling. When this is finished soon, I think my next project is going to be a 70s or early 80s trail bike or enduro, which will hopefully be an investment too. 

Edited March 15, 2022 by DT36

[accord83]

Early Impreza? How many kids with Colin McRae posters are now reaching an age when they can afford to run and insure a hobby car? Still reasonably priced.

 

[BaileyMex]

3 hours ago, DT36 said:

Mk3 Mondeo ST220 going up in value lately. 

Totally forgot about the ST220.

I had an early 2003 pre face-lift, pulled like a train with a re map.

[BIG G]

I suppose i'm just curious, finance seems to allow anything to be in reach of the average 19 year old so no need to aspire to anything these days. Scrap yards are a waste of time these days as modern stuff fails mech/elec before rust gets ahold 

[Rally Pack 2000]

15 hours ago, BaileyMex said:

And anything Ford and pre-2000 is already starting to fetch silly money, I saw an F Reg Ford Orion on ebay the other day for £6,000!!

But I think that's at the heart of the question of the thread. Who would have thought an Orion would have even be worth anything or sought after? So what else could strangely start to peak interests in the past?

Back in the day we would scoff at the rusty Datsuns (Dattos) and now they fetch crazy money even more than many Escorts. Your excellent point of overreaching computer ECUs is what I feel will be the line in the sand I totally agree. Moderation in complexity will be the key to acceptance.

Although once my mums old 80s Toyota Camry is rebuilt costing ten times more than its worth to do so, the Mk2 Focus that's temporarily replacing it I can see will be sought after in the next wave of modern classics in another ten years. Yes it has an ECU but its pretty basic compared to most current cars with no central touch screen. Duratec engines already have a following for modifications and after market controllers for them that the require electronics wont exceed the home mechanics tolerance level. So I think Early Ford Focus' will be the next big thing. Its not hard to imagine it given they are already an enthusiastic devout lot. Shame I wont still have mine by then to reap any reward!

[BaileyMex]

1 hour ago, BIG G said:

I suppose i'm just curious, finance seems to allow anything to be in reach of the average 19 year old so no need to aspire to anything these days. 

But finance company's won't like you 'modifying' their cars, as technically it belongs to them until it's paid for, and as most of these tempting deals at dealer level are PCP's with big balloon payments, the average 19 year old may get caught in the cycle of just getting a new car every 3 years on the never never, and if you hand back a 3 year old car modified, it can bite you in the arse.

[Vista]

2 hours ago, BaileyMex said:

But finance company's won't like you 'modifying' their cars, as technically it belongs to them until it's paid for, and as most of these tempting deals at dealer level are PCP's with big balloon payments, the average 19 year old may get caught in the cycle of just getting a new car every 3 years on the never never, and if you hand back a 3 year old car modified, it can bite you in the arse.

As this guy found out to his cost a few years ago. I think there were other stories like it too

[katana]

What a Hairy Orifice ! That's why you read the small print and why you don't advertise to the world in general, that you are modding a car that's on finance! I'd love to know what the outcome was - anyone know?

[BaileyMex]

19 minutes ago, Vista said:

As this guy found out to his cost a few years ago. I think there were other stories like it too

Exactly that!!
Some of the comments crack me up

I work in Finance and provide funding for individuals and businesses for all types of assets, cars and vans etc.  and it amazes me when people say 'Nah I cant be bothered to read any of the T&C's' and just want to sign.

Hence I always email them copies of everything in advance, and ask them if they have read it, and they need to confirm in writing, then it's on them if they haven't.

[Vista]

1 hour ago, katana said:

What a Hairy Orifice ! That's why you read the small print and why you don't advertise to the world in general, that you are modding a car that's on finance! I'd love to know what the outcome was - anyone know?

To cut down all his waffle, It seems he paid up and kept it