Mk2 Mexico

[Vista]

Anyone on here own a genuine one? Or consider themselves an expert on what to look for to tell a real one from a fake?

[MM77]

Stupid question but are they recognised as such on the V5?

[Vista]

3 minutes ago, MM77 said:

Stupid question but are they recognised as such on the V5?

Good question but that's a bit hit and miss as back then it was entirely down to what the dealer that first registered it recorded the car as with the DVLA.

[Xp197777]

Mines genuine and states escort Mexico on v5

[Vista]

11 minutes ago, Xp197777 said:

Mines genuine and states escort Mexico on v5

Mk2?

[Xp197777]

Blonde moment thought we were talking mk1s 

[DT36]

Only copied, so not my knowledge :

https://Alcoholics Anonymous.com/forum/ford-classics-and-vintage/268-how-do-i-tell-a-genuine-mk2-mexico.html

Edited November 5, 2022 by DT36

[Vista]

31 minutes ago, DT36 said:

Only copied, so not my knowledge :

https://Alcoholics Anonymous.com/forum/ford-classics-and-vintage/268-how-do-i-tell-a-genuine-mk2-mexico.html

Thanks, I already knew all those points, was wondering if there were any more obscure ones that may not have been replicated on a copy

[The Transplanter]

3 hours ago, Vista said:

Good question but that's a bit hit and miss as back then it was entirely down to what the dealer that first registered it recorded the car as with the DVLA.

I used to work for Fiat UK, way back when V55/1s were printed out the info was only as good as the person typing it! So you could end up with several variations on the description for the same car, which I would imagine was pretty much the same for all manufactures of the time. i.e.

Uno
Uno 3dr
Uno Formula
Uno Formula 3dr 
Uno 45 Formula
Uno 45 Formula 3dr

All above are the same car, so you get the drift. Which also makes a mockery of the "how many are left" website!

As for the MK2 Mex. I would imagine a lot of the info will be the same as the RS2 and the chassis details the same as all MK2's if you know what they are  

You will have the basic stuff like:

Speedo cable bracket
Spare wheel bracket
Top mounts & strengthening gussets
Front crossmember strengthening & tca holes
Tramp bars
Rear box hanger

Plus chassis bits that I wont mention on an open forum (year related for all MK2s)!

The problem you do have is that restorations are so deep now, that if you know what you are doing in the detail you can make any shell look genuine from a V5 doc! 

Editing as I jog my memory lol

Edited November 5, 2022 by The Transplanter

[Rally Pack 2000]

If its a reasonable price that doesn't take your breath away is not a real one!

[Xp197777]

10 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

If its a reasonable price that doesn't take your breath away is not a real one!

I like that 😂 

[Miniliteman]

20 hours ago, Vista said:

Anyone on here own a genuine one? Or consider themselves an expert on what to look for to tell a real one from a fake?

Have you read the Dan Williamson book on Mk2's?

[Vista]

3 hours ago, Miniliteman said:

Have you read the Dan Williamson book on Mk2's?

No. Worth it?

[Rally Pack 2000]

10 hours ago, Miniliteman said:

Have you read the Dan Williamson book on Mk2's?

 

6 hours ago, Vista said:

No. Worth it?

I have bought virtually every book on Escorts I can over the years and enjoy reading them and finding out about models that weren't available here but whenever I read the part about Australian Escorts they are always so inaccurate sometimes, scarily so. The sources are never Ford Australia but some guy form the local owners club with little knowledge of models outside the 2500 RS2000s that were built here. Their knowledge about other models is superficial at best. So it makes me always wary of the accuracy of them and as guides they are excellent and what to look for but I couldn't quite trust them for definitive identification. I remember when I first joined here being corrected when I referred to some European models that I learned about in books, so its not just the Aussie stuff they don't get right! LOL Good as reference but don't take it as Gospel is my take on it.

[Miniliteman]

The Dan Williamson book describes the Mk2 models in detail with photos from original cars. If it is entirely correct and/or complete I don't know. Last year a mate bought a 75 Mk2 Sport which had Mk1 parts on it, and it was an original/unrestored car. Don't know if that has been described in a book somewhere.

@RP2000: what about this book? Factual correct?

 

[Rally Pack 2000]

8 minutes ago, Miniliteman said:

The Dan Williamson book describes the Mk2 models in detail with photos from original cars. If it is entirely correct and/or complete I don't know. Last year a mate bought a 75 Mk2 Sport which had Mk1 parts on it, and it was an original/unrestored car. Don't know if that has been described in a book somewhere.

@RP2000: what about this book? Factual correct?

 

Hahaha funny you should show that one, its the worse one of the lot! I think it may even be locally written as well so no excuses for not getting it right! Actually it probably the worse motoring book I have, the European books may get the odd fact or two wrong but they are generally more professionally put together than one. As an overview of some unique Australia models though its basically all there is apart from a few snippets in European books. The South African stuff is even harder to gain information on, I actually have my own data base and file of brochures that I have collected over the years to try cater for the questions that get asked here from the surge in imports from there.

[Miniliteman]

1 hour ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

Hahaha funny you should show that one, its the worse one of the lot!

I will just look at the pics in the book then ... 🙄

[Rally Pack 2000]

17 minutes ago, Miniliteman said:

I will just look at the pics in the book then ... 🙄

LOL Sorry was that photo of your own copy? Im surprised a copy went that far and that someone may have been interested? Its not a common book by any means. As long as you got something out of it thats the main thing. It does show some models that you dont see mentioned in any other books so as I said its pretty unique in that respect.

[Miniliteman]

Not my copy but I do have that book, as yourselves I have most books on the Mk2.

[The Transplanter]

On 06/11/2022 at 17:11, Vista said:

No. Worth it?

Its a good book, with good general knowledge, but it doesn't go into deep details that some of the enthusiasts will know!

A bit like that Odd Autos YouTube channel restoring a 1968 MK1, when most MK1 guys can see it was a December 73 onward shell 😏

What car are you looking at and do you have any detailed pics of it?

[Rally Pack 2000]

10 hours ago, Miniliteman said:

Not my copy but I do have that book, as yourselves I have most books on the Mk2.

Haven't the prices of automotive books in general skyrocketed of late though? Some of the recent ones I looked at I thought I may have to stop collecting. Its like the book prices are directly linked to RS Car Parts Prices!

[Xp197777]

4 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

Haven't the prices of automotive books in general skyrocketed of late though? Some of the recent ones I looked at I thought I may have to stop collecting. Its like the book prices are directly linked to RS Car Parts Prices!

Is the RS tax James😆

[Rally Pack 2000]

39 minutes ago, Xp197777 said:

Is the RS tax James😆

But I thought educational materials were tax exempt!

[katana]

9 hours ago, The Transplanter said:

A bit like that Odd Autos YouTube channel restoring a 1968 MK1, when most MK1 guys can see it was a December 73 onward shell 😏

This is the sort of observation that annoys the average owner! They are restoring what they have - not a nuts and bolts concourse resto! The fact that the car has been re-shelled makes not a shread of difference to average Joe if he wants a sound mk1!

Edited November 8, 2022 by katana

[BIG G]

The scene has changed from enthusiasts to investors therefore books and information are needed to assist investors to make sound financial decisions as they generally dont have the pleasure of owning these turds for a long time and having expierience of the different models and specs etc like us, as for TV/YouTube shows telling porkie pies about the vehicles they are working on well thats happened for years and is a shit show in my opinion, If i paid money to enter the comp on OddAutos and won a triggers broom that wasn't as described i'd be rightly peev'd.