Could a lot of us end up on a q plate ?

[khanlad]

Gave 30 for a couple but they were just for bits i wanted, 100 quid for my mk1 13 sport, that had 9 months mot on if i remember?,  god knows how, made fred flinstones car look solid, bonus of that though the water that leaked through the heater bowl ran straight down and out! Escorts, you got to love them!

[Vista]

It's official guys, but for not being exempt from MoT, none of this is happening. Not sure if you can read the below from the latest issue of FBHVC news but the last sentence of the top right paragraph states:

"The worst thing that can happen to a historic vehicle which does not qualify as a Vehicle of Historic Interest is that it has to undergo an MoT"

Breathes sigh of relief. 

 

[Rally Pack 2000]

19 hours ago, VivaLaRic said:

I don't think thats completely true, I'm 27 and grew up with my dad driving sierra's but for me its always been the anglias/escorts/cortinas I saw at shows he took me to. A lot of the current OSF owners have kids of which can still grow up to say "my dad had one of those" and perhaps hanker after one themselves? probably even more so now they're something out of the norm and not the everyman's car of yesteryear.

If what you say proves to be true then rest assured, I'll enjoy the hell out of your guys' cars that I've bought for £50 when youre dribbling in a home and your families are clearing out "grandads old shit".......... If I can get them registered of course 

Ever seen that old movie with Lee Majors call "The Last Chase" where they ban petrol and cars and force everyone onto mass transit. The guy buries his old racing Porsche in his garage and digs it up 20 years later and races it to freedom to flee a repressive government? I was planning on stashing mine in the bush or lockup so I can do a grand escape when they try to lock me down in a home. By then cars will be all electric and totally GPS tracked with every move you make and every turn you take. Let the techno drones try track me and catch me in my old Escort for my last dash to freedom. They can bury me in it.

[Vista]

Here you go, a clearer copy. I confess that I am breathing a sigh of relief as I would have continued MOT'ing the Van anyway. 

[eeb43]

so if the bulkhesd and/or tunnel have been chopped or changed it will still need an iva

[Vista]

17 minutes ago, eeb43 said:

so if the bulkhesd and/or tunnel have been chopped or changed it will still need an iva

Nope.

[colr6]

20 minutes ago, eeb43 said:

so if the bulkhesd and/or tunnel have been chopped or changed it will still need an iva

The way I read it, the substantial change to a vehicle has not been agreed on yet. So before it does it's a normal car.

[eeb43]

14 minutes ago, Vista said:

Nope.

changed after 88?

 

[eeb43]

8 minutes ago, colr6 said:

The way I read it, the substantial change to a vehicle has not been agreed on yet. So before it does it's a normal car.

if done pre 88

[colr6]

5 minutes ago, eeb43 said:

if done pre 88

Yes, it's after that date the discussion is ongoing to what justifies substantial change. 

[Leo]

I'll take your word for it Vista, it's not clear is it?

[Leo]

Having read  it again, it seams to me that we'll have to mot them. And I suspect we won't be getting free road tax into the bargain. Which is a better alternative to having to sva for our  cars.

[khanlad]

Thats how i read it too

[VivaLaRic]

As I understand it, (reading from the first paragraph of the second row) the worst thing to happen to us regardless is a compulsory MOT. As far as I can see this is good. 

[HotRodMatt]

Here you go, a clearer copy. I confess that I am breathing a sigh of relief as I would have continued MOT'ing the Van anyway. 

"It is important to state that no actual monitoring is proposed of declarations made. This is entirely a self assessment process."

Looks like someone has finally realised the immensity of the task and the amount of original specification records required to police it that don't exist.

[Leo]

So the grey area that needs clearring up is, can we declare and have our cars passed legitmatly. Or do we have to fudge the truth to keep them on the road? 

[Vista]

3 hours ago, eeb43 said:

changed after 88?

 

Nope, just need to declare it and have the MOT done as normal. 

[eeb43]

20 minutes ago, Vista said:

Nope, just need to declare it and have the MOT done as normal. 

the 8 point rule has been in for years cant really see them doing away with it now

[Leo]

56 minutes ago, eeb43 said:

the 8 point rule has been in for years cant really see them doing away with it now

On the dvla site says from the 8th of May (or a date somewhere near that). It's been ignored and unenforced since the rule was made. So basically it's irrelevant.

[eeb43]

27 minutes ago, Leo said:

On the dvla site says from the 8th of May (or a date somewhere near that). It's been ignored and unenforced since the rule was made. So basically it's irrelevant.

i assume you mean un enforced apart from a several that have been in for reg transfers and have had their id revoked and removed?

[Vista]

2 hours ago, eeb43 said:

the 8 point rule has been in for years cant really see them doing away with it now

Just read the publication, it's clear that they will not be using the 8 point rule as part of this change. The first paragraph in the right hand column covers it.

[Leo]

35 minutes ago, eeb43 said:

i assume you mean un enforced apart from a several that have been in for reg transfers and have had their id revoked and removed?

How many is several? I've never heard of any.  Why where they transferring reg,s? From what to what?

[Rally Pack 2000]

13 hours ago, HotRodMatt said:

"It is important to state that no actual monitoring is proposed of declarations made. This is entirely a self assessment process."

Looks like someone has finally realised the immensity of the task and the amount of original specification records required to police it that don't exist.

I too was wondering by what method they would use to determine originality over not with no real expertise with that particular vehicle? In most cases the guy that restored the thing will be more of an aficionado than the guy trying to look it up on a data base on the net. There are so many evolution changes in vehicles that aren't even reflected in their original workshop manuals.  I have had ignorant Pink Slip (Our MOT equivalent) testers take me to task on totally original things. One told me I couldn't fit a Momo wheel because the centre horn buttons of after market wheels were too unreliable. I tried telling him the horn was on the stalk and he said that was an illegal modification. Another stuck a screwdriver into the side of the rear spring shackle bush and wiggled it around and said it was too worn. I told him it was triangle shaped in the centre and not a solid bush so of course it wobbles around. He said that was nonsense. I just tyre blacked it and added some Vaseline to make it look like a new bush had been fitted and he passed it later. And this sort of stuff was taking place when the car was under 20 years old. Seriously any inspection will be mainly a discussion with you about how nice it looks and reminiscing how great cars they were in their day. (My dad had one of those) If it looks sound and close to original you can be assured it will be considered an historic vehicle. Changing transmission tunnels and 5 speed boxes aren't going to even raise an eyebrow. If you rock up with a fibreglass MK1 Escort body on a tubular chassis with drag wheels well your not going to pass it off as a genuine one. But if the modifications are sensible for safely and or where original parts cant be procured I think you will be just fine. Only the speciality car clubs can really do such stringent oversight hence why they say alot of it will be voluntary.

[eeb43]

11 hours ago, Leo said:

How many is several? I've never heard of any.  Why where they transferring reg,s? From what to what?

have you never heard of andy saunders? the best known and most prolific custom car builder in the uk?

[Vista]

2 hours ago, eeb43 said:

have you never heard of andy saunders? the best known and most prolific custom car builder in the uk?

Of course.........but his "creations" are a significant step beyond fitting a new tunnel and different engine.