Could a lot of us end up on a q plate ?

[katana]

Has the DVLA taken a 'sensible pill' at last!

[colr6]

14 minutes ago, katana said:

Has the DVLA taken a 'sensible pill' at last!

Don't worry there will be some knob behind a desk who will find another stupid way of extracting cash out of the motoring public.

[khanlad]

I spoke to a team supervisor at dvla yesturday regarding a completely stripped shell i took to be scrapped that someone had applied for the log book of. She knew nothing of the changes people have been talking about. I told her that there was nothing on the shell except the vin number that would relate to that car as it was. She keep saying that if a vehicle has a chassis number and registration number regardless of changes made to it it will always be and retain that number? 

[Rally Pack 2000]

6 hours ago, katana said:

Has the DVLA taken a 'sensible pill' at last!

A bureaucrat doing something sensible and helpful to the common man? That's like a vampire swearing he is totally vegan now. Be afraid be very afraid.

[HotRodMatt]

I spoke to a team supervisor at dvla yesturday regarding a completely stripped shell i took to be scrapped that someone had applied for the log book of. She knew nothing of the changes people have been talking about. I told her that there was nothing on the shell except the vin number that would relate to that car as it was. She keep saying that if a vehicle has a chassis number and registration number regardless of changes made to it it will always be and retain that number? 

Even if you scrap the entire chassis and replace with a full tube frame, just put the VIN tag on? Sounds like she was a bit clueless, in typical DVLA fashion.

[khanlad]

It was a sapphire cosworth shell, it was stripped, were talking to the bone, but stupidly hadnt cut vin numbers out of the floor, it went to a dismantlers to be dispossed of. He then sold it on to someone who wanted to cut the floor out to replace a rotten one? Fair enough, but i asked dvla why would they needed the v5 to do that? Thats when i asked about proof of age, and whether it would be inspected ? I have engine and box still, anything unique to cosworth i sold, its nothing more that a sapphire shell, with now, a v5 that says rs sierra cosworth! The thing that pisses me off most , not even the q threat thats been banded at us, is i told her the only thing in my opinion that it will be used for, is to ring a car, she kept babbling on about they might put all the bits back on and make a sapphire cosworth again! My arse they will! Fookin idiots!

[colr6]

The thing is who else could you report this to ? Obviously as you said it's only going to be used as a wringer. Can see some poor sod losing a cossy only to re- appear with your plate on it ! Could this be reported to the police to keep an eye on it ? Make DVLA aware of the possibility of this ? I know it's just a drop in the ocean 1 car but you have to start somewhere.

[khanlad]

We all know this is a possibilty but you cant go reporting something you think might happen? Even if you did they havent got the man power to address things that have happened let alone crimes that might?  In this day and age of kiddy fiddlers, idiots throwing acid, and blowing shit up,  how high does someone losing a car rate on the scale of important? 

[mk1del]

20 hours ago, HotRodMatt said:

This popped up from a couple of sources on my social media earlier. Not sure if it's genuine or not, but could be a good thing?

 looks like its too big of a issue to apply 8 point rule, could be what I mentioned earlier in this thread, will have to still have a mot if modified

[HotRodMatt]

 looks like its too big of a issue to apply 8 point rule, could be what I mentioned earlier in this thread, will have to still have a mot if modified

Sensible really. Just to check the modifications are done and maintained to a safe standard.

[mk1del]

7 minutes ago, HotRodMatt said:

15 minutes ago, mk1del said:

 looks like its too big of a issue to apply 8 point rule, could be what I mentioned earlier in this thread, will have to still have a mot if modified

Sensible really. Just to check the modifications are done and maintained to a safe standard.

Only sensible way to police it really, majority of cars that have been so called modified are only really upgraded

[mk1del]

Has anyone noticed how many rat rods hot rods and kit cars are for sale suddenly on eBay

[HotRodMatt]

Has anyone noticed how many rat rods hot rods and kit cars are for sale suddenly on eBay

One of my mates stated it was the deciding factor in selling his hot rod Pop.

[Kenbex522]

At the end of the day, from May 2018 you will be ticking one of two boxes. If you tick the modified box, this will ping the system for any potential future check.  It may not be an issue until further down the line ie you want to take a reg plate off it, or an engine change, colour change etc, then it opens the door for one of those "please send us more details" letters as has already happened to a few owners under the system we have now.

[RWL81P]

23 hours ago, mk1del said:

Has anyone noticed how many rat rods hot rods and kit cars are for sale suddenly on eBay

oh yes! and classics! had my bike on ebay last week, hopefully got a part ex deal. could be a problem for the next owner, or could never be asked about it! 

[Leo]

I really can't see it happening, it would mean swathes of cars and bikes off the road.

[katana]

11 hours ago, Leo said:

I really can't see it happening, it would mean swathes of cars and bikes off the road.

And for the suits in Whitehall thats a problem why? Probably a good idea as far as they are concerned.

[Leo]

They'll be a lot of rich types, lords and all that with historic stuff that falls into this category. Also all the industries built round it, it will be a massive hoo ha.

[khanlad]

7 hours ago, katana said:

And for the suits in Whitehall thats a problem why? Probably a good idea as far as they are concerned.

We buy petrol for them, we buy bits that keep people in jobs, pay vat on bits, thsts why they will care!

[katana]

Don't kid yourself - there are something like 35 million registered cars in the UK , if 1% of them are classics and if 50% of them are actually on the road, thats 175,000 doing a couple of thousand miles a year....... contrast that with 34,650,000 doing 10,000 miles a year with fuel, tax, insurance, servicing and parts - who do  you think will be looked after in 'government terms' - think cash cow ? ? ?

Pessimistic.....maybe, realist ..... probably! 

[RWL81P]

On 12/6/2017 at 20:05, Leo said:

I really can't see it happening, it would mean swathes of cars and bikes off the road.

thats what they have been trying to do since the 90s.

[Leo]

39 minutes ago, RWL81P said:

thats what they have been trying to do since the 90s.

Your just a Mr negative aren't you. The logistics of it are huge.

[HotRodMatt]

The government won't lose a lot of revenue from reduced numbers of classics as katana mentioned, however the aftermarket will suffer massively I think. That in turn would mean less for the government and could possibly lead to job losses. Anyone care to guess how much the UK's auto aftermarket is worth?

[eeb43]

9 hours ago, HotRodMatt said:

The government won't lose a lot of revenue from reduced numbers of classics as katana mentioned, however the aftermarket will suffer massively I think. That in turn would mean less for the government and could possibly lead to job losses. Anyone care to guess how much the UK's auto aftermarket is worth?

8 billion

[HotRodMatt]

8 billion

That's the figure I had in mind. There's also the historic car market which I think Google said was worth £73m.