Could a lot of us end up on a q plate ?

[accord83]

I'll just park this article on happenings stateside here. Thin end of their wedge?

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2017/11/06/texas-begins-revoking-titles-for-dune-buggies-and-other-kit-cars/?refer=news

[Rally Pack 2000]

5 hours ago, dt36 said:

Maybe leave the lowering blocks off for any inspection, then slip them back in later. 

Mine have Ford logos and a part number cast into them so I would love to see some desk jockey challenge on that one.

[khanlad]

What about the m16 caliper having the spacer to allow vented disc? Lowering springs on the front, still a coil spring? What about converting from dynamo to alternator?  Mexico wings on non mex and rs?  Fitting bubble arches, moving the fuel tank to across the boot? Mk1s had loads of options avaliable through avo. If it was supplied as new with spots and youve removed them, its been altered does that count as modified? Its been changed? 

[Paul brex]

25 minutes ago, khanlad said:

What about the m16 caliper having the spacer to allow vented disc? Lowering springs on the front, still a coil spring? What about converting from dynamo to alternator?  Mexico wings on non mex and rs?  Fitting bubble arches, moving the fuel tank to across the boot? Mk1s had loads of options avaliable through avo. If it was supplied as new with spots and youve removed them, its been altered does that count as modified? Its been changed? 

What you need to remember is they are questioning the identity of each individual vehicle. You won't be able to pass your car off as VHI and be MOT and VED exempt if it's an RS replica or you've got a 1.6 crossflow or pinto where a 1.1 or 1.3 once lived. 

How they will police all this is yet to be seen, but there has already been a sizeable amount of classic ford owners contacted regarding an inspection of their cars....escort owners especially as it's a popular car to cut big chunks of metal out of to 4 link and tunnel etc.

the onus will be on ourselves as of next year to self certify if our cars are modified or not. Driving around in a cossy escort with ££££ spent on it and declaring it as standard, avoiding paying for an mot and tax is to much of a gamble for me!

[khanlad]

You can still take it to mot it, safety reasons? I think most people are happy to do that modified or not,  its just such bollox, my engine and box have changed along with other stuff true, its still a 79 escort, that doesnt change? If you change your engine under warranty on a 2015 bmw, its still a 2015 bm

[RWL81P]

1 hour ago, khanlad said:

What about the m16 caliper having the spacer to allow vented disc? Lowering springs on the front, still a coil spring? What about converting from dynamo to alternator?  Mexico wings on non mex and rs?  Fitting bubble arches, moving the fuel tank to across the boot? Mk1s had loads of options avaliable through avo. If it was supplied as new with spots and youve removed them, its been altered does that count as modified? Its been changed? 

on my letter i got from dvla, they want pics of the seats, roof lining, carpets, all inside the boot and the fuel cap opening, closed and open. so yes they are quite keen! best thing to do is make it as standard as possible then change it when or if it gets the ok. bit like all that 10 t 2 shit on the driving test.

[eeb43]

8 minutes ago, khanlad said:

You can still take it to mot it, safety reasons? I think most people are happy to do that modified or not,  its just such bollox, my engine and box have changed along with other stuff true, its still a 79 escort, that doesnt change? If you change your engine under warranty on a 2015 bmw, its still a 2015 bm

if the bulkhead/floor/tunnel has been altered or changed  its no longer legally that vehicle

[khanlad]

So if youve replaced a footwell its not the same car?

[khanlad]

Or moved the gearstick hole to fit a 5sp, its not the same car?  Or fitted a bulkhead strengthening plate its not the same car? A nonsence

[eeb43]

19 minutes ago, khanlad said:

Or moved the gearstick hole to fit a 5sp, its not the same car?  Or fitted a bulkhead strengthening plate its not the same car? A nonsence

please read what i wrote not what you think i wrote

[khanlad]

Altered or changed? You wrote, gearstick hole, on tunnel? Bulkhead plate, on bulkhead, both altered, not legally same vehicle, you wrote? Footwell part of the floor! Changed, legally not same car? You wrote? Explain how ive misread that?

[eeb43]

putting a new floor in to the same spec is restoring putting a bigger tunnel in is modifying

[Vista]

2 minutes ago, eeb43 said:

putting a new floor in to the same spec is restoring putting a bigger tunnel in is modifying

Auto tunnel that some use is bigger....but still a standard tunnel. 

[eeb43]

18 minutes ago, Vista said:

Auto tunnel that some use is bigger....but still a standard tunnel. 

not on a manual car!

[eeb43]

basically what they will be looking for is things that have OBVIOUSLY been modified so dont make any floor/tunnel/chassis mods look modified

[HotRodMatt]

The thing I don't get is that you can still seemingly modify the hell out of anything less than 40 years old without them being interested but slightly modify a bulkhead in a 40+ year old car and you lose eight points? Are they deliberately victimising the classic car modifier? Anyone heard of any plans to target newer modified cars?

[eeb43]

nothing is exempt hopefully soon they will turn their attention to land rovers

 

[mk1del]

All we can do is wait and see what exact regulations are going to be, surely if year of manufacture and vin tags etc all comply for proving its the correct car, shouldn't go on a q, and its modified, don't qualify for free road tax or mot exemption , think most of us would still have a mot anyway for peace of mind

[HotRodMatt]

I'd be quite happy if they said that modified cars over 40 years must have an annual MoT and the standard cars get to enjoy free tax and MoT exemption (not that I agree with anything being MoT exempt), if that's what they decide.

 

 

[mk1del]

Exactly,

[eeb43]

im still of the opinion that the mot exemption thing is the worst thing that can happen

[Vista]

17 minutes ago, HotRodMatt said:

I'd be quite happy if they said that modified cars over 40 years must have an annual MoT and the standard cars get to enjoy free tax and MoT exemption (not that I agree with anything being MoT exempt), if that's what they decide.

 

 

Makes a lot of sense..............so is never likely to be agreed. 

[HotRodMatt]

Makes a lot of sense..............so is never likely to be agreed. 

Exactly.

[colr6]

12 hours ago, Leo said:

Or rally cars? They're four five linked etc etc and road league.

I would think rally car would come under the same banner, rallies are held on road stages so would sumise they still have be road legal. Regs should apply to them aswell. Oh dear that's historic rallying over and done with !

 

9 hours ago, RWL81P said:

youve obviously been trying to hard to get power out of that old XE, you must of missed the boat anchor warrior engines that make 240hp, and you wouldnt be botherd about the 500hp pintos, you know the ones that were modified and tuned in northampton.

To achieve these figures your out the realms of the normal man in the street can afford, easily achievable out of one of these so called poxy red tops. By the way having the so called magic letters of SDB on everything doesn't make it a powerful engine it just means they've emptied your pockets of hard earned cash and nowt to show for it !!

[colr6]

52 minutes ago, eeb43 said:

im still of the opinion that the mot exemption thing is the worst thing that can happen

That I agree should be re- tracted, all,cars should have an MOT or a revised test for 40 + year old vehicle