Could a lot of us end up on a q plate ?

[RWL81P]

Just now, eeb43 said:

would have dropped its water before it got close!

or burnt its oil.

[RWL81P]

well the first of many hurdles. sent my logbook off for change of address. owned the car since 98, been in my name since i bought it. so a simple change of address, not a new keeper. then today, no logbook. dvla wont send me a logbook till theyre happy with my car which is a restoration. they sent me this. so before you buy a project beware of what you may or may not have.

[RWL81P]

DVLA do not do pizzas, COL

[colr6]

4 minutes ago, RWL81P said:

DVLA do not do pizzas, COL

It's a hoax, someone wants to clone your car down to the last detail. I now know how they know what to look for, look at the senders name. His old mans the workshop book writer !!

[RWL81P]

1 minute ago, colr6 said:

It's a hoax, someone wants to clone your car down to the last detail. I now know how they know what to look for, look at the senders name. His old mans the workshop book writer !!

fook me why dint i know the dick that makes manuals works for DVLA. thats us all nackerd then!

[Ray]

i know someone else who got a letter the same / similar as that

[RWL81P]

3 minutes ago, Ray said:

i know someone else who got a letter the same / similar as that

suppose that answers how they will check all the old vehicles. wait till change of keeper or application for logbook and then keep the book till theyre happy.

[Rally Pack 2000]

So you sent your log book in for a simple change of address even though your the same owner and they are keeping it as leverage till you supply all that information and photos? Images of the underside and headline? This is not only ridiculous its extortion. I also suspect they they are attempting spy level data base building.

[RWL81P]

1 minute ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

So you sent your log book in for a simple change of address even though your the same owner and they are keeping it as leverage till you supply all that information and photos? Images of the underside and headline? This is not only ridiculous its extortion. I also suspect they they are attempting spy level data base building.

yep! stitched me up like a kipper! so i better make sure its finished ultra good. wouldnt mind so much if it was a 1.3. but mk2 mexicos are worth good money now. so if i dont get the book back then it an invetment and a shit load of money down the council gritter!

[Rally Pack 2000]

9 minutes ago, RWL81P said:

yep! stitched me up like a kipper! so i better make sure its finished ultra good. wouldnt mind so much if it was a 1.3. but mk2 mexicos are worth good money now. so if i dont get the book back then it an invetment and a shit load of money down the council gritter!

I must be missing something though. Why? Whats a change of address got to do with restoration that they need photos of a car they already know you own? What if try changed your address while it was in pieces? Whats their reasoning or endgame here?

[RWL81P]

1 minute ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

I must be missing something though. Why? Whats a change of address got to do with restoration that they need photos of a care they already know you own? What if try changed your address while it was in pieces? Whats their reasoning or endgame here?

they didnt know its a resto. and i dont do what most do and post pics of it in bits alover the tinterweb. so a simple change of address and they kept the logbook. if only they were that keen on people selling books on ebay!

[Rally Pack 2000]

I would push back a bit and demand some explanations, including asking on what grounds they are keeping your log book in such circumstances implying that such extortion may be actionable. Specifically asking him, what the fuel filler hole has to do with anything? Is this some kind of fetish?

[RWL81P]

2 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

I would push back a bit and demand some explanations, including asking on what grounds they are keeping your log book in such circumstances implying that such extortion may be actionable. Specifically asking him, what the fuel filler hole has to do with anything? Is this some kind of fetish?

i did wonder about the fuel filler, and roof lining and seats. funny thing is engine and box not been questioned.

[Ray]

6 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

I must be missing something though. Why? Whats a change of address got to do with restoration that they need photos of a car they already know you own? What if try changed your address while it was in pieces? Whats their reasoning or endgame here?

I'm presuming it hasn't been taxed or MOTd for some while, so at a minimum, its an identity check to see if the car really is what is being claimed and that it really still exists, pushing the realms further, proof its still original and not been modified

the person I know with one of those letters, sent in the photos, they asked for more, still not happy, and has to present the car complete as it was produced to an independent company they nominated for inspection, his was change of ownership, previous keeper had a current V5c, but they wont issue a new one to him as the new owner, again its a resto project, bought in pieces, that now has to be assembled and inspected, again tho, they didn't know its condition, but it had been off the road some years

[RWL81P]

i'd rather just grit mi teeth and play ball. dont wanna risk loosing the reg to get a shiity Q, or even worse a C O D

[Rally Pack 2000]

4 minutes ago, RWL81P said:

i did wonder about the fuel filler, and roof lining and seats. funny thing is engine and box not been questioned.

Just be polite and ask a few questions as to the necessity for some of these images and under which code in law this is specified. Tell them your family solicitor was going through your papers and asked for clarification and you thought you would do it to save him charging you 200 pound and hour.

[RWL81P]

DVLA is a force to be reckond, got us by the curlys and know how to get round things. and yes ray its been off the road for a number of years. but as im still the keeper i didnt think that would matter.

[Ray]

7 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

I would push back a bit and demand some explanations, including asking on what grounds they are keeping your log book in such circumstances implying that such extortion may be actionable. Specifically asking him, what the fuel filler hole has to do with anything? Is this some kind of fetish?

what you have to bear in mind RP, in the UK, you don't own the log book or the registration no, they are effectively on loan to you from the DVLA, it is also illegal to sell a V5c (log book) without its correct shell / body, or indeed without one at all, as its not yours to sell, but unfortunately, and especially in the Escort market, the practice is rife, and I think that is what they are trying to stop here

ringing is also another part of the problem

[RWL81P]

4 minutes ago, Ray said:

what you have to bear in mind RP, in the UK, you don't own the log book or the registration no, they are effectively on loan to you from the DVLA, it is also illegal to sell a V5c (log book) without its correct shell / body, or indeed without one at all, as its not yours to sell, but unfortunately, and especially in the Escort market, the practice is rife, and I think that is what they are trying to stop here

ringing is also another part of the problem

also the same with landrover 90s. highly nickable and the id's get swapped all the time. i wonder how ford would get round it with old mk2 escort rally cars. ford swapped ids more than anyone and a well known mk2 rally car id in the 70s was in 3 different countrys on 3 different cars. also the mk2 in the ford heritage museum doesnt have the correct id for that shell. the original was wrote off by Tiff Needle while filming for top gear.

[Rally Pack 2000]

2 minutes ago, Ray said:

what you have to bear in mind RP, in the UK, you don't own the log book or the registration no, they are effectively on loan to you from the DVLA, it is also illegal to sell a V5c (log book) without its correct shell / body, or indeed without one at all, as its not yours to sell, but unfortunately, and especially in the Escort market, the practice is rife, and I think that is what they are trying to stop here

ringing is also another part of the problem

Yes I think im confused with the whole association of log books, registration and plates there. Here a log book is a voluntary thing you keep in your glovebox to note your mileage for your petrol expenses for your work LOL. The number plate can be virtually anything and is just an assigned readable marker for police and speed cameras. Registration is a one sheet a paper thats sent out to you every year to pay a fee with a disposal notice on the back in case you sell it. Up until a few years ago you got a sticker to say you had paid but they even stopped that with plate readable software on board police cars. If the car is over 5 years old you get a road worthy certificate that you take with the registration papers when the annual fee is due. Apart from the colour and engine capacity they know virtually nothing about my car only that I have provided them with proof that it is roadworthy. There are circumstances where a car is so heavily modified it requires and engineers certificate but again as long as its safe they dont really want all the images and technical details. There is no one at our RTA that would have the slightest clue about Escort originality apart from they came with a couple of different engines. Even the guy that issues my cars roadworthy certificate each year just defaults to me and says you know better than what I do what needs to be there. Funny how pedantic some government departments can get around the world.

[eeb43]

14 minutes ago, Ray said:

what you have to bear in mintrue!d RP, in the UK, you don't own the log book or the registration no, they are effectively on loan to you from the DVLA, it is also illegal to sell a V5c (log book) without its correct shell / body, or indeed without one at all, as its not yours to sell, but unfortunately, and especially in the Escort market, the practice is rife, and I think that is what they are trying to stop here

ringing is also another part of the problem

sorry no thats not quite true, and also i have got logbooks here for vehicles that i own and an early v5 that states on it 

if you are the new keeper and your name is not shown above tell us now by filling in the back of this form, we will then send you a new document in your name. 

now if i send that in and they try the picture stunt surely that does amount to fraud?

[accord83]

Fire some emails to the classic car press, Classic Car Weekly, Practical Classics etc and ask if they know about it. Maybe they are looking where you've hidden a 25% or more power increase, those 5 bhp rivet heads and 20 bhp filler cap are the culprit.......

[RWL81P]

3 minutes ago, eeb43 said:

sorry no thats not quite true, and also i have got logbooks here for vehicles that i own and an early v5 that states on it 

if you are the new keeper and your name is not shown above tell us now by filling in the back of this form, we will then send you a new document in your name. 

now if i send that in and they try the picture stunt surely that does amount to fraud?

no idea, give it a bash. but with the paper cutting that was posted on here last week. it seems that things are still in motion. proof! all i can do is be patient, make sure tha car is perfect before they want to inspect it, luckily i do have the original interior although trimmed in leather, the original wheels, original engine box and axle, and have the original vin tag, colour tag and strut top number. im sure theres a lot of people in this situation that hasnt got half of that.

[RWL81P]

10 minutes ago, accord83 said:

Fire some emails to the classic car press, Classic Car Weekly, Practical Classics etc and ask if they know about it. Maybe they are looking where you've hidden a 25% or more power increase, those 5 bhp rivet heads and 20 bhp filler cap are the culprit.......

theres no point looking in the boot for my my power upgrade, its in my 205 blocked pinto with HPE head and twin 48s!

[colr6]

Put a chuffing great battery in the boot  and claim its hybrid then claim for a tax concession....lol