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[Guest MK1gaz]

gaz ! give up !,

no-ones saying the pinto is a bad engine, theres other engines on the market that people choose to use ! get over it ! you cant make everyone run a pinto !

You best turn up this summer and watch then , tell me after that if you still what a £5000 standard duratec install that runs 15's !!!!!!

[Wessie]

i'll be there, no worries

[105Speed]

If you don't put a dry sump on a duratec then it will blow up because the wet sump conversion i've seen is very shallow and still expensive

 

 

You clearly know fook all and statements like this could result in you coming to physical harm.

 

I will tell you for free if you slagged any of my products and made incorrect unfounded statements like that I would not be responsible for my actions.

 

 

You might think its funny to wind people up Gaz and I havent got a problem with that at all... but telling lies about people products that can directly affect their lively hood is NOT funny.

 

You have been warned.

[Retromotorsport]

Is it now that i should mention whats happening in rallying... where the price of the BDA's is skyrocketing due to the rareness and the need to compete.. yep thats right, they are moving onto the duratecs .. and why are they not using the pinto ....

 

 

I wonder

 

And yes i agree with Neil there, its dodgy ground directly slating a product you have no knowledge of.

 

Neil and i have had words on this before, when he miss-understood a post of mine, which has all been cleared up.

 

 

But then you do that quite often Gaz, you've slated Cosworth and their engines, youve slated Mountune and their engines and the likes of Scholar etc ... but what do they know...

 

The Duratec has its faults and these have been addresed by those companies, same as the Pinto has its faults and they have been addressed by the likes of Ron and Arron and the countless others over the years of devolopement on the Pintos.

 

And i still stand by the fact that that Sports 2000 engine is 197bhp +/- 1bhp as its a sealed engine for competition use... and like i said... can you show me the price of a 197 bhp 2000cc pinto engine in printed form please.

 

As said on another thread that you where shot down on... put up or shut up ... all those racers with thier "handpainted and dented racecars in their poncy racesuits " are still waiting for you to lap Brands Hatch.

 

You see without you showing us... the forum members where you get your prices from how can anyone belive what you say.

[sambo]

Good thread this. Surely for circuit work or rallying a duratec is king at the moment for cheapness and weight etc?? I'll shut up now and let you lot kill each other!.

[Guest MK1gaz]

If you don't put a dry sump on a duratec then it will blow up because the wet sump conversion i've seen is very shallow and still expensive

 

 

You clearly know fook all and statements like this could result in you coming to physical harm.

 

I will tell you for free if you slagged any of my products and made incorrect unfounded statements like that I would not be responsible for my actions.

 

 

You might think its funny to wind people up Gaz and I havent got a problem with that at all... but telling lies about people products that can directly affect their lively hood is NOT funny.

 

You have been warned.

I've not slagged off anyones products though have i you numbty I SAID the wet sump i've seen was vey shallow which it is , i saw it at the autosport show and it was made for a kit car lotus 7 thing . I asked the blokes on the Cosworth stand weither they would use it and they said no it's best to use they're own dry sump instead . So get your facts straight first or i'll be sorting you out instead !!!!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

Retro you can harp on about overpriced 190 bhp duratec installs as long as you like because until they can beat the 1970's engines in a race off the lights for the same price in and working as the old engines then no ones gonna bother with them ? A £10,000 duratec install is a great thing but a standard one is just nothing special at all , face it it's gonna be slow . I could price up a 200+ pinto for you if you like as i've got a price list next to me . The parts can be different costs depending on which way you do it , you can do a cossie crank + rods high rpm screamer or a stroked x-flow rodded torque feast one or a cheap cast pistoned one if you wanted

[alladdin]

i think the point he was making gaz is that you claimed duratecs will blow up without a dry sump (as shown in his quote)

since dave at retro ford sells WET sumps that he has developed for the duratec, your comments would not help his buisiness.

im sure you didnt intend it as such but you really should know by now to be more carefull when you say these things.

i have said this before, people use these forums for information , facts help. misinformation does not.

[Guest MK1gaz]

If any more traders selling stuff start wingeing + moaning about being slower than the pintos then tough titty as the truth hurts !!!!!!! . So instead of telling everyone how wonderfull + great your conversions are , lets see them go instead please . The H.P.E. pintos are ALWAYS on show for the world too see aren't they ? All the zetecs + duratecs do is park up and discuss they're "super peak" bhp graphs !!!!!!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

i think the point he was making gaz is that you claimed duratecs will blow up without a dry sump (as shown in his quote)

since dave at retro ford sells WET sumps that he has developed for the duratec, your comments would not help his buisiness.

im sure you didnt intend it as such but you really should know by now to be more carefull when you say these things.

i have said this before, people use these forums for information , facts help. misinformation does not.

But i DIDN'T say the retroford wet sump was no good did i ?

[Guest MK1gaz]

If you don't put a dry sump on a duratec then it will blow up because the wet sump conversion i've seen is very shallow and still expensive

 

 

You clearly know fook all and statements like this could result in you coming to physical harm.

 

I will tell you for free if you slagged any of my products and made incorrect unfounded statements like that I would not be responsible for my actions.

"Strike me down Vader and i'll be more powerfull than you can ever imagine "

[alladdin]

i think the point he was making gaz is that you claimed duratecs will blow up without a dry sump (as shown in his quote)

since dave at retro ford sells WET sumps that he has developed for the duratec, your comments would not help his buisiness.

im sure you didnt intend it as such but you really should know by now to be more carefull when you say these things.

i have said this before, people use these forums for information , facts help. misinformation does not.

But i DIDN'T say the retroford wet sump was no good did i ?

 

the wording of your post suggests the duratec will blow up if it was fitted ? since you state it will blow up WITHOUT A DRY SUMP.

[Guest MK1gaz]

Unlike retro i can't be arsed to type 300 word essays to explain one thing , the blokes on the cosworth stand told me that the duratec engine IS VERY finicky about it's oil supply . The oil lives in the sump so you work it out

[alladdin]

Unlike retro i can't be arsed to type 300 word essays to explain one thing , the blokes on the cosworth stand told me that the duratec engine IS VERY finicky about it's oil supply . The oil lives in the sump so you work it out

 

im sure its a bonus and even a necessity in the correct circumstance, but a simple question to consider. ford and mazda will put millions on the road with a min 100k mile lifespan. how many did they/will they see a need to fit a dry sump to?

[emu]

I've not slagged off anyones products though have i you numbty I SAID the dry sump i've seen was vey shallow which it is , i saw it at the autosport show and it was made for a kit cat lotus 7 thing . I asked the blokes on the Cosworth stand weither they would use it and they said no it's best to use they're own dry sump instead . So get your facts straight first or i'll be sorting you out instead !!!!!!

 

Dry sump pans can be shallow cant they?? They spend most of their lives almost dry anyway. Hence why they're called DRY sumps

 

The blokes from cosworth recommended that you use their sump instead of a competitors??? . Next you'll be telling us that the men on the valvoline stand where telling you not to use mobil oil in your duratecs new cosworth sump. I dont know, some people today are just so single minded!

[tim]

Unlike retro i can't be arsed to type 300 word essays to explain one thing , the blokes on the cosworth stand told me that the duratec engine IS VERY finicky about it's oil supply . The oil lives in the sump so you work it out

 

so the bloke on the COSWORTH stand said a wet set up was crap and you should buy a COSWORTH dry set up.

 

urm can see a connection there some where, a sales man tryin 2 sell somthing

[Guest MK1gaz]

Right listen very carefully then . You CAN'T fit a duratec with a standrd factory designed Ford /mazda wet sump in an Escort because the engine is very tall . You can buy aftermarket wet sumps now from various sources and companies . When i asked the blokes at cosworth about this they said that you really need a dry sump because the duratec is very finicky about it's oil supply . I'm sure that the retroford wet sump is very good ( I DIDN'T EVER SAY IT WASN'T ) but according to ALL the engine kits / tuners / web sites etc you need a dry sump set up . Go on any web site and find out yourself or just pick up the phone tomorrow and ask them .

[Guest MK1gaz]

I've not slagged off anyones products though have i you numbty I SAID the dry sump i've seen was vey shallow which it is , i saw it at the autosport show and it was made for a kit cat lotus 7 thing . I asked the blokes on the Cosworth stand weither they would use it and they said no it's best to use they're own dry sump instead . So get your facts straight first or i'll be sorting you out instead !!!!!!

 

Dry sump pans can be shallow cant they?? They spend most of their lives almost dry anyway. Hence why they're called DRY sumps

 

The blokes from cosworth recommended that you use their sump instead of a competitors??? . Next you'll be telling us that the men on the valvoline stand where telling you not to use mobil oil in your duratecs new cosworth sump. I dont know, some people today are just so single minded!

Sorry i meant wet sump

[Retromotorsport]

. I could price up a 200+ pinto for you if you like as i've got a price list next to me .

 

Well go on then ... its all ive been after so the readers can compare the price and make a choice ..

 

so i'll ask again

 

price up a 197 (no need for the + signs as that can be +1 or +1000) bhp 2000cc engine complete with fueling , clutch and steel flywheel .

 

and on another one of Gaz bugs with me... i will keep on harping on about different engines in other forms of racing ... you consistantly bang on about dragracing, where as circuit racing is more like real world driving, you have allready stated the "mad mile" is it straight or has it got corners?

 

You quote what Ron and Andy do on the 1/4s and lets face it they have a fantastic set up, and i will give the other side of the coin, other engine competing head to head on twisty roads . Thats what a debate is .. you put one side up and someone else puts another side up. Bit like whats better marmite or peanut butter

[Twinkle]

the wet sump you saw at the autosport show was shallow you say gaz? that was for a lotus, you say, is it the same as the escort ones then? or would the escort one possibly be deeper?

[Retromotorsport]

The thing with sumps ..wet sumps anyway... its the volume and how they keep the oil around the pick up pipe.. you can have a deep sump that lets the oil flows up the sides in a corner and BANG you have a siezed big end and a hole in the block.

 

By stating that a sump is shallow so its not going to work is like saying a bee cant fly.. theoretically they cant,,,but they do.

 

Back in the good old days of " we've made the rules and we have banned dry-sumps to keep costs down" (so you can blow a 10k screamer x-flow)

Gate valves and walls were being put in all sorts of shaped sumps. And still are today.

 

As with everthing in this world its the design that works or dosnt work.

If and engine runs fine with a shallow sump then its fine ..

[andypipe]

. I could price up a 200+ pinto for you if you like as i've got a price list next to me .

 

Well go on then ... its all ive been after so the readers can compare the price and make a choice ..

 

so i'll ask again

 

price up a 197 (no need for the + signs as that can be +1 or +1000) bhp 2000cc engine complete with fueling , clutch and steel flywheel .

 

and on another one of Gaz bugs with me... i will keep on harping on about different engines in other forms of racing ... you consistantly bang on about dragracing, where as circuit racing is more like real world driving, you have allready stated the "mad mile" is it straight or has it got corners?

 

You quote what Ron and Andy do on the 1/4s and lets face it they have a fantastic set up, and i will give the other side of the coin, other engine competing head to head on twisty roads . Thats what a debate is .. you put one side up and someone else puts another side up. Bit like whats better marmite or peanut butter

 

Ive priced up sticking a 190bhp 2000cc pinto in my car, and aint gonna get a lot of change out of 8k. That price is installed and running with new box etc. If i could go to duratec or Zetec i would, but stupid rules and regs wont allow it

[andypipe]

Reading through this, i have come to the conclusion, thats its the same shit, just different toilet

[Vista]

Ive priced up sticking a 190bhp 2000cc pinto in my car, and aint gonna get a lot of change out of 8k. That price is installed and running with new box etc. If i could go to duratec or Zetec i would, but stupid rules and regs wont allow it

 

That's in the same ball park as my recent install though mine is a little less as it doesn't include a box.

 

That would buy you an awful lot of modern engine in anyones book!

[andypipe]

Ive priced up sticking a 190bhp 2000cc pinto in my car, and aint gonna get a lot of change out of 8k. That price is installed and running with new box etc. If i could go to duratec or Zetec i would, but stupid rules and regs wont allow it

 

That's in the same ball park as my recent install though mine is a little less as it doesn't include a box.

 

That would buy you an awful lot of modern engine in anyones book!

 

Tell me about it. Do i spend that sort of money on a stressed X-Flow, or lazy pinto. Either way ive got to uprate the box.